Blindscan

[rodder]

whitch has the best OpenVix are OpenPli Are ?

[Pale-Rider]

OpenViX easily has the best blindscan and yes I am bias towards ViX, but we (Huevos) has spend a lot of time working and perfecting blindscan for ViX. That said there is nothing preventing Pli or any other team from incorporating our blindscan plugin into their image in fact many of the OE-A teams already do.

[el bandido]

The blindscan driver binary file for the receiver is supplied by Vu+. The blindscan enigma2 plugin has been modified several times, but the driver supplied by Vu+ more or less dictates how or what the receiver will scan. Blindscan only finds transponders, then the Service Scans looks for channels on the transponders that were found in Blindscan. The Service Scan can be extremely slow when compared to closed source receivers.

The Blindscan in OpenPLi and OpenVix are more or less the same because they use the same driver that is supplied by Vu+.

[Costactc]

The Vu+ blinscan works well and a bit slow at times when scanning sats with many transponders. However, it misses many transponders. I scanned several satellites with my vu+solo2 and my x2 premium III, the latter scanned in many more channels and transponders. I have used the Vix image from day one, I flashed my receiver before ever plugging it in.

[el bandido]

Current Vu+ models do not receive 16 and 32 APSK, but the X2 will receive these modes. This may explain some of the channels you are missing.

[Costactc]

When watching satellite tv, which I do often, the Vu+ is my choice as its picture quality exceeds all other fta receivers I have ever tested. Also, it is an extremely refined receiver which adds so many other dimensions that others don't. I'm not sure if the tp or channels that were missed were 16 or 32 APSK but that doesn't bother me at all as I have never tested E2 blinscan before. My c band feed, which my solo2 is attached to, is dual so I keep another receiver always as a back up in case one or the other misses something.

[el bandido]

OpenPli has a couple more features in blindscan than I cannot find or do not see in the OpenVix blindscan plugin.
(1) OpenPli will sometimes show when the motor has reached the target satellite. This information is displayed at the top left of the blindscan menu screen.
(2) OpenPLi gives you the option of opening a saved satellite .xml file onscreen instead of having to dig it out of the file system and open it.

Both images find about the same or the exact same transponders in a blindscan. I have attached a couple of .xml files scanned with each image on satellites 99W c band and 87W ku band.

[eastof111]

I used to use PLI because it was avant-garde in coding, but lately have stayed away from using it due to incompatibility with multiboot. The PLI group does not support it. In the interim I enjoy playing with ATV with all of its beta bugs. The other con with PLI is plugins that are available with other images that are not available with the PLI DB. Searching and manually having to load the ipk is a pia.

Occasionally, I will load PLI in flash just to see how it runs, but I continue to go back to ATV. I have enjoyed using PLI in the past, but until they bring back support for multiboot, I can wait.

[el bandido]

I have been a fan of OpenPLi for a long time. The SH4 receivers that I used a few years ago ran faster and easier for me with OpenPLi based images.
Different plugins can be found in various places including images feeds for different image groups. I have a plugin folder and can usually transfer the few plugins I want to any image within a few minutes. The satellite editor and the channel pid editor plugins are hard to find, but they have installed in about every image that I use-even SH4.

OpenVix images is what I mainly suggest to people who have just got their receiver and are fairly new to the e2 operating system. It is a very nice operating system.

[tanka2]

I don't have VU+ butt enigma2 don't have until today one good blindscan

[rodder]

Ku Blindscan what setting do you use with a standard Lnb i have mind set to user defined all 3 boxs i have 10750 it will not sca in any thing with blind scan only with a manual scan.

[el bandido]

Universal lnb is needed for blindscan.

[rodder]

Thanks I"ll have to get one

[el bandido]

We are trying to get standard lnbs added. You can use a standard lnb but the transponders will be 150 MHz off. To do this, set the lnb as universal for the satellite in the antenna settings, then only blindscan the high band in blindscan. Do this by setting the lower scan parameter to 11700.

[rodder]

I got a Universal lnb installed and it still will not scan anything in on amc-21 here are my setting.

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[el bandido]

Does c band blindscan work?

[rodder]

Yes it works but slow

[el bandido]

No enigma 2 receiver has a fast blindscan that I know of.

Have you verified that the universal lnb is receiving signals? Have you manually scanned one transponder to verify that it works?

[rodder]

yes it is working i scans in one tp 12180 manually

[el bandido]

Are you using universal setting for LOF? See attached.

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[rodder]

Yes i am

[el bandido]

It should work if everything is set correctly.

What message do you get after a ku blindscan? What is the make/model of the universal lnb?

[rodder]

This is the lnb [Only registered and activated users can see links]

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[el bandido]

It looks like it is finding transponders, just not any channels on them.
Try a blindscan, but use the save to .xml option in the blindscan menu. Then zip and post the .xml file. It will be located in the /tmp folder of the receiver. The transponder information may tell us what is wrong.

[Costactc]

I haven't attempted ku band with my solo2 but I have noticed on many sats that blind scan will not find all tp but they scan in manually but make sure your info for the tp is correct like dvb-s and dvb-s2 with fec and qpsk or 8psk.

[rodder]

this is the last blind scan 11503

[el bandido]

How strong is FNX? I get about 13.8 db/snr on that transponder.
My blindscan got 9 transponders and 19 free tv channels. A copy of the scanned transponders is attached.
Check the lnb installation. I think your receiver is working OK, just need to check the antenna hardware.
You may reinstall the 10750 lnb and test it using the universal settings. The blindscan should still work with the 10750 lnb but the transponders will be 150 MHz off. Use 11700 for the lower blindscan frequency or else it will scan the 10750 l.o. twice, giving you duplicate channels.

[rodder]

I hooked back up to my Dr-D15 and it found 7 tps with 12.8 db so antenna settings are good.

[el bandido]

Did you connect the Dr-D15 to the exact same coax as the Solo2? Remove one receiver and replace it with another using the exact same antenna connections?

12.8 db on what transponder? What is the signal strength of the Solo2 on the same transponder???

[rodder]

Yes and Yes transponder 12180 on Dr-D15 12.8 db and 12180 on solo2 13.0 db using the same cable

[el bandido]

Does the solo2 get the rest or the other 6 transponders if you enter them manually?

[rodder]

Yes they scan in manually

[el bandido]

Try another scan or try scanning a different satellite such as 87W.
Please get the satellite.xml out of your receiver and post it here. Let's make sure it is OK.

[Costactc]

Just curious EB because this is the case on almost every sat that I have scanned as well, the solo2 misses many tp that any old receiver will scan in-does the image make a difference? I am still using OpenVix but am going to give OpenPli a shot. I too have the same satellite.xml file that you posted. I will flash OpenPli and use the sat file associated with it before flashing another sat file and see if it still misses tp.

[el bandido]

The big question is: What does it miss? Please make notes of what it is missing! Thanks.

[rodder]

this is anew scan of 125 using OpenPli this morning still not finding channels

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[rodder]

Just scanned 97w ku got 315 channels and 28 Transponders so it seems to just not be working on amc 21 125w

[el bandido]

Please get the satellite.xml out of your receiver and post it here. Let's make sure it is OK.

[rodder]

Blind scan of 125 and 97 using free scan only

[el bandido]

Please get the satellite.xml out of your receiver and post it here. Let's make sure it is OK.

[Costactc]

Here is my satellite.xml file:


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[rodder]

this is the satellite.xml out of my receiver

[Costactc]

Will try blindscan with OpenPli to see if there is any difference:


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[el bandido]

Your sat file looks OK Costa. Can you try blindscanning 125W and see what you get? I will check the one Rodder posted in a bit.

[Costactc]

I've already changed the image to OpenPli and at the moment my 4' ku band dish is stuck at 30w until I pass the actuator wire. It's 35f and gale winds so that isn't going to happen today. I thought OpenPli has blindscan, am I missing something?

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[el bandido]

Go to the plugin menu and press the green button for downloadable plugins. The blindscan plugin may be installed in System Plugins.

[Costactc]

Just curious EB, are Vix and OpenPli the only images that have a workable blind scan? I'm really keen on the PBnigma image but no working blindscan.

[el bandido]

I use PBnigma on the Duo2 and it has blindscan. Some images require you to download and install the blindscan plugin. PBnigma is an advanced image, not really designed for the beginner.

[Costactc]

Where would I be able to find the blind scan plugin for PBnigma? That's the image on my sol02 at the moment.

[el bandido]

Same place.
System Plugins in downloadable plugins.

[Costactc]

Will give it a shot and report back. Have I told you how much I really like this receiver, even though my tv upstairs is only compatible with 60hz and the image is never set to that all I do is open Webif and use the remote control buttons on my laptop to set it right.

[Costactc]

The PBnigma image already is equipped with blind scan but it's not functional. There isn't any other downloadable plugin:

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[Costactc]

Manual scan is really fast with PBnigma, there must be a way to get blind scan working.

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[el bandido]

this is the satellite.xml out of my receiver
The satellite file is OK. Try a different image like OpenPLi if that is the file from your receiver. These receivers may not blindscan correctly if the satellite file contains bad information or if the ssatellite file is empty, or has has no stored transponders for the satellite being scanned


The PBnigma image already is equipped with blind scan but it's not functional. There isn't any other downloadable plugin:

What is not functional about it? What does it do or not do???

[rodder]

I am using OpenPLi i switched this morning i saw no change in the scanning

[Costactc]

The satellite file is OK. Try a different image like OpenPLi if that is the file from your receiver. These receivers may not blindscan correctly if the satellite file contains bad information or if the ssatellite file is empty, or has has no stored transponders for the satellite being scanned



What is not functional about it? What does it do or not do???

It crashes every time I attempt a blind scan. I registered on the PB site and I've been advised to do a software update as blind scan is supported and working. I'll give it a shot. This image is a keeper.

[Costactc]

Even after a software update it crashes every time I attempt a blind scan.

[el bandido]

The crash log will tell you why it crashed, or at least give some clues.

[el bandido]

I am using OpenPLi i switched this morning i saw no change in the scanning

Another Solo2 owner will need to blindscan the same satellites as you have and see if they get the same results.

[Costactc]

The crash log will tell you why it crashed, or at least give some clues.

How do I get the crash log?


Another Solo2 owner will need to blindscan the same satellites as you have and see if they get the same results.

Once I pass my actuator wires, I will post back with results of my blindscan of Amc 21.

[Costactc]

I decided to go back to OpenPli image and see if I could find the blind scan plugin. I found it in system settings and downloaded it without any issues however when I attempted a blind scan my receiver crashed just as it had done with the PbNigma image. I don't get it, is this receivers' blind scan only functional with Vix?

[Costactc]

I went back to OpenVix image and blind scan working spot on:


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[el bandido]

Crash logs are made automatically
Nobody can really tell you why a receiver crashed unless you post the log for that crash.

[Costactc]

I understand that EB but I haven't the slightest idea how to retrieve it and actually understand it. My question is why is blind scan working flawlessly with the Vix but crashes with all the others?

[Pale-Rider]

I understand that EB but I haven't the slightest idea how to retrieve it and actually understand it. My question is why is blind scan working flawlessly with the Vix but crashes with all the others?

A hell of a lot of time has been put into getting blindscan working with ViX (many dozens of hours if not hundreds), images like Pli rely on others to do the work for them and provide them with patches, where as in ViX we did the work our selves (and by we I mean people like Huevos).

[el bandido]

Have not a clue. Can't tell you why it does not work without looking at the crash log (and still may not know even with the log).

Crash logs are usually stored in one of two places in any enigma2 image.
If you have a hard drive, look in: /media/hdd
If you do not have a hard drive, look in: /tmp
What to look for:
A crash file will be a .txt file that starts with "enigma2_crash_"
Look for the crash file and post it. You may have several crash files stored. If that be the case, you will need to figure out which was the last one stored or which one belongs to the blindscan crash. It is a good idea to routinely delete these logs to avoid confusion. A crash log should be generated every time the receiver displays a green screen.

[el bandido]

A hell of a lot of time has been put into getting blindscan working with ViX (many dozens of hours if not hundreds), images like Pli rely on others to do the work for them and provide them with patches, where as in ViX we did the work our selves (and by we I mean people like Huevos).


The blindscan plugin in OpenPLi has more features than the blindscan plugin in OpenVix. I think Huevos updated PLi plugin too.

Throwing stones at other images does not help anything. I run images made by many different groups and there are things I like/dislike in all of them.
Enigma2 is open source which means that things will be borrowed or shared. I am not going to take time here to make a list, but Vix has borred from PLi and PLi has borrowed from Vix. This is the way open source is supposed to work.

[Costactc]

I must say that PbNigma is my favourite image but I really like the OpenVix as well. Blind scan is working well and the latest vix image and openvix magic hd noire skin is awesome. Cheers to Huevos and all the Vix team.:th_thumbs20up:


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[eastof111]

In the past when images that used blind scan were maturing, crashes usually occurred when the tuner settings for the lnbs did not match the lamedb. Revisiting the tuner settings and making sure they were correct, sometimes, but not always, solved the green screen crashes. This use to be an interim fix.

[rodder]

I have been trying out some of the other images this morning and i too like the PbNigma and Openspa but filezilla would not work with either one of them said unsecured connection like costactc said they both had extremely fast manual scan and they also the blindscan pulled in in 3 tps and 16 channels on 125 but for now i am back on OpenPli

[el bandido]

Try these.

Openspa login = root Password = openspa
PBnigma login = root Password = powerboard

[Pale-Rider]

The blindscan plugin in OpenPLi has more features than the blindscan plugin in OpenVix. I think Huevos updated PLi plugin too.

Throwing stones at other images does not help anything. I run images made by many different groups and there are things I like/dislike in all of them.
Enigma2 is open source which means that things will be borrowed or shared. I am not going to take time here to make a list, but Vix has borred from PLi and PLi has borrowed from Vix. This is the way open source is supposed to work.

No one is throwing stones, certainly not me. you are a member of the Pli forum and you must have seen the dozens of threads neah hundreds where users have requested help and their developers have basically fobbed them off quoting ridiculous reasons like "we need a patch". You cant tell me with a strait face that's any thing but arrogance on their part and if you do i will say you are a liar.

as for borrowing things from Pli, every single line of code that we have used from Pli has always been credited to the appropriate author, Pli however while standing on their high horse sprouting rubbish about opensource principles simply do not adhere to this most basic of principles. In most cases and you can check for your self if you do not believe me, we have pointed out multiple times parts of the OE-A git where a fix resides and may be of help to Pli, and Pli always refuse to use that fix but insist on a patch being provided directly to them. This was true of the blindscan work by heuvos as well as the SNP picon work by Huevos and several hundred other fixes / improvements we have offered Pli over the years.

[rodder]

after trying PbNigma and Openspa for a few hours they had some things i liked and some i did"t like so this morning i decided to start fresh i loaded OpenPli be cause i believe i like it the best i made a new sat file then went to 125 and blind scaned it and this time it found 3 tps and 16 channels. so i believe there must have been something wrong with the other sat file.

[Costactc]

I will eventually get my 4' ku dish in action and will blind scan Amc 21 to see how my solo2 compares. OpenVix will be the image I am sticking with, am not picking sides but parts of this thread are getting a bit too personal for me.

[Pale-Rider]

I will eventually get my 4' ku dish in action and will blind scan Amc 21 to see how my solo2 compares. OpenVix will be the image I am sticking with, am not picking sides but parts of this thread are getting a bit too personal for me.

No personal attacks here, well not from me any way. Heated discussions yes but thats a natural part of spending thousands of hours work on a project then seeing people just dismiss that work without knowing all the facts.

[Costactc]

Sounds good m8, thought things were getting a bit personal. In the process of passing my actuator wire to scan Amc 21 and see how blind scan does on my solo2.

[el bandido]

I will eventually get my 4' ku dish in action and will blind scan Amc 21 to see how my solo2 compares. OpenVix will be the image I am sticking with, am not picking sides but parts of this thread are getting a bit too personal for me.

It is best to find one image you like instead of trying to load different images and becoming confused about the outcome. Get used to the box and the E2 operating system, then branch out to other images if you want.

As for the personal part, FTA is just a hobby for me. I run what works best for me and tell others what I find.

Basically, The blindscan plugin is just an interface for the closed source binary blindscan provided by Vu+ or other manufacturer. The E2 blindscan pluign has a couple of extra features in OpenPLi than it does in OpenVx and most other images. Other than that, the blindscan plugin will work about the same in any E2 image because the actual blindscan binary is provided by the manufacturer.
If you open a saved blindscan .XML in OenPLi, you are greeted with this message at the top:
File created on Sunday, 26 of April 2015, 11:03:43
using vuduo2 receiver running Enigma2 image, version 2015-04-23,
image Openpli 4, with the blindscan plugin updated by Huevos

Last time I checked, there was no mention of who updated the plugin in the OpenVix blindscan .XML. So OpenPLi gives credit to Huevos for updating the plugin, and OpenVix says nothing.

This is the extent of my concern. I could care less about the animosity or disagreements between groups.

[rodder]

Just found somthing on OpenPli you can scroll channels on a sat with the right and left buttons

[el bandido]

You can set the remote buttons up to do many different things. They are 'User Adjustable".

[Costactc]

I finally got my 4' dish to Amc 21 at 125w and blind scanned it. The results are 2 tp scanned in with 16 channels:

12112 v 8703
12180 v 30000


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