TNAP for OS MIO 4K Request.

[ArloG]

Hi all. It's been awhile. I've been playing around with TNAP on a slot in my Mio.
On the 'guys site a few had asked about having the display default to time display after a short timeout of channel display when changing channels.
Apparently TNAP doesn't, the same as other images.
I gave a link to the same issue on openatv and a member fashioned a patch to make it easier than navigating to the display settings file.
Has this by chance been addressed?

Also I had asked if there was a way to show what particular satellite you were aimed at in the reception/signal windows much like chinabox receivers display.
I'm not speaking of satellite names taken from satelites.xml. But the actual satellite I.D. contained in the downlink signal. Again, chinabox receivers do this well.
This was to assist finding satellites on movable dishes where adjacent sats had the same tp.
Many couldn't grasp my question, some said it couldn't be done.
A fellow showed me screenshots of a vix image that did just that. The sat he was aimed at showed on the screen and when he moved the dish to another with the same tp, it showed that sat. The sat display window blanked out when signal was lost and when the receiver acquired a signal 6-8 degrees away, it locked signal and showed the sat.
To clarify the best I can. He was aimed at a sat on 3140V. Didn't change a thing in the setup window. Turned his dish to another sat with the same tp (3140V) and the receiver displayed what the dish was aimed at.

Man, if I would have had that, my time finding ku sats with the lnbf beside my C2-W would have sure gone easier.
Is there a module in vix or a plugin that would enable sat ID from the beacon or pilot common to different images?

What do you think?

[el bandido]

TNAP Is an OpenPLi based image, or it could be thought of as an OpenPLi image that is modified for North American use.
The majority of enigma2 images are based on OpenPLi or OE alliance cores. You will find some images that have parts of OpenPLi and OE Alliance installed in them, but for the most part, enigma2 images are either based on OpenPLi or OE Alliance cores.

OpenVix is an OE Alliance image, which means some things will be different. OE Alliance images as a whole usually have more features or settings than OpenPLi for various reasons. This is why you see display settings or skin features in OE Alliance that you do not see in OpenPLi, such as the clock display setting for the MIO.

Changing the clock setting in TNAP for the MIO is no big deal. Some things that are in OE Alliance images are easy to copy to OpenPLi, but other things like the 12/24 hour format in the skins is not. It just depends on what feature you are wanting to borrow, and what it takes to run that feature or make it operate.

Having the satellite you are looking at or Identifying a satellite is a different animal. Satellites have beacons that transmit information about the satellite, but there are not any 100-200 dollar fta receivers that are capable of receiving the satellite beacon in a way that the information could be understood. A bit of information on beacons is here:[Only registered and activated users can see links]

I do not know of any fta receiver that identifies a satellite using anything other than ordinary transponder frequencies. What you call China boxes are Closed source receivers, and all Closed Source receivers along with enigma2 receivers that I have seen with some sort of satellite id get it from a transponder list. Really this is all that is available since the satellite beacon cannot be decoded.

Using satellite transponders to identify a satellite is unreliable. For example, the blindscan plugin may look for a signal for the first transponder in the satellites.xml list. So if you select 85 west ku band in the blindscan plugin, the first transponder listed for 85w ku in satellites.xml will be searched for a signal. If a signal is found, then Lock may be displayed in the blindscan plugin screen. ( This feature in the blindscan plugin is disabled in TNAP due to being unreliable.)


Similar checks for a satellite signal could also be used in the signal meter plugin, or anywhere else a signal is trying to be received in enigma2, but again, this is unreliable. For a lot of users, a satellite id that is unreliable is worse than no satellite id at all.

If you can find a satellite id feature in any enigma2 image that works correctly on all available satellites in North America (Linear and Circular), then I will do my best to implement it into TNAP. But I do not think such a feature exists.

[ArloG]

I come in peace. Haha.
Everything you replied to is crystal clear. Except.
Two "Closed source" receivers that I have here. A Linkbox 8000 local and a Dreamlink T5 will in fact and positively display the satellite it's on.
When changing DISEqC settings on a multi lnbf configuration, or using the receiver to find satellites and aim to peak. Yup, right there.
Set it just like I indicated for similar transponders shared on multiple sats.

Take for example my ku lnbf install you assisted me in getting going.
My intended starting sat was 121W. I got a strong signal on the MIO.
But when I did a blindscan the list was full of funky transponders that didn't make sense and no scanned channels. But I got a list of tp's.
Okay?
Looked at the sat charts for tp's on sats in and around 121W. Couldn't make hide-nor-hair out of anything.
So for giggles I hooked the Linkbox up. I set it up for manual scan and punched in a tp setting the MIO dispalyed in its scan results.
110W Echostar 10!!!! What the hell, I didn't even know a standard ku lnb was capable of doing that.
Without changing a stinkin' thing in the box except for punching in the tp settings for 121W....ba-bang! When I got the dish bumped over to it with a signal...."121W Galaxy 23 LOCKED".
At any rate, just knowing that my C Band/ku aim offset difference was X degrees. It made calculating where a ku sat was in the sky compared to the same C Band.
And yeah, to find and store positions in my ASC1 I used the LB closed source receiver as a signal finder/sat identifier.
Maybe you might get a little "Oh, really....wow I didn't know that" like I did. Peace!

[el bandido]

LinkBox is a renamed Pansat. Pansat went out of business after getting busted for helping hack DishNet. Old Pansats were great at identifying Dishnet or EchoStar satellites, but could not identify most fta satellites. If you carefully check the LinkBox or any other cheap fta receiver from 15west to 133west on all available bands, I think you will find it also does not know what a lot of satellites are.

There are only two ways I know to id a satellite: Transponders or Beacons. Our receivers are not capable of receiving the beacon info, so that only leaves satellite transponders, which can be problematic. Shown below is the current VIX image, with the receiver tuned to 99w c band. Notice it identifies one transponder correctly but thinks the other transponder belongs to a different satellite?

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To me, identifying a satellite incorrectly is worse than not identifying the satellite at all.

[el bandido]

Here are some of the lock errors in the blindscan plugin for Vix:

We will start with 97w ku, which correctly shows a Lock.
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Then we will move directly to 95w ku which shows a False Lock.
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Now we go to 91w c band which shows no lock
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Now back to 95w ku which shows no lock
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I have a decent signal on all the above satellites. The Lock feature is unreliable, so it is deleted in TNAP.

[el bandido]

Off topic, but while I had Vix loaded, I decided to do a blindscan test.
TNAP is optimized for North America, and it shows in the blindscan.

[Only registered and activated users can see links]
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Low symbol rate for both of these scans is supposed to be set at 1.

[ArloG]

I didn't believe it either.........until

[clubfoot]

Off topic, but while I had Vix loaded, I decided to do a blindscan test.
TNAP is optimized for North America, and it shows in the blindscan.

[Only registered and activated users can see links]
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[Only registered and activated users can see links]
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Low symbol rate for both of these scans is supposed to be set at 1.



The TNAP blind scan refers to TNAP-4? Is TNAP-4 a new image now available for download?

[el bandido]

Not yet as I am just testing it. TNAP-4 will probably take several more weeks to be ready.

[clubfoot]

Off topic, but while I had Vix loaded, I decided to do a blindscan test.
TNAP is optimized for North America, and it shows in the blindscan.

[Only registered and activated users can see links]
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[Only registered and activated users can see links]
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Low symbol rate for both of these scans is supposed to be set at 1.


I am not sure how valid that comparison is, did you run the channel scan on both ViX and the private version of TNAP to check what the difference was in the number of channels locked? As we have seen in another topic on the forum, the TNAP image is capable at locking the transponders but there are some instances where a locked transponder does not result in a channel being stored.

Personally, I think the true comparison is channels stored in the receiver.

[clubfoot]

Not yet as I am just testing it. TNAP-4 will probably take several more weeks to be ready.


Are you able to provide a brief summary of TNAP changes from 3.2 to 4.n ?

[Titanium]

The factory reset menu performs a data reset if either Yes or No is selected. If No is selected, Exit without executing a factory reset.

Menu>>> Setup>>> Factory reset>>>

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[el bandido]

Are you able to provide a brief summary of TNAP changes from 3.2 to 4.n ?

Just updates and some cosmetic changes. Also new kernel and new tuner drivers.

[voomvoom]

Not yet as I am just testing it. TNAP-4 will probably take several more weeks to be ready.

there is a new version of freearhey plugin v1.4 is available

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[el bandido]

I will try to update this plugin in TNAP 3.2. I appreciate the posting of this plugin update!

[el bandido]

I have been asked why there are no epg menus, and why there are no epg plugins. The answer is they cause epg problems, and do not provide epg for North America. Getting epg, and making it populate correctly is no easy task. If anyone wants to produce something that works or something that can be made to work, then it will be added. TNAP-4 will have all epg addons deleted because they may generate fake epg as shown below. Removing these items does not cause the little bit of epg that we do get to disappear, but it does stop most of the fake epg from populating.

To go a bit further, if the epg items are left in the image, then you may generate fake epg, plus you will have users asking why these features do not work. So it is better to delete these items than to have something that does not work.

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[MikeB]

I have been asked why there are no epg menus, and why there are no epg plugins. The answer is they cause epg problems, and do not provide epg for North America. Getting epg, and making it populate correctly is no easy task. If anyone wants to produce something that works or something that can be made to work, then it will be added. TNAP-4 will have all epg addons deleted because they may generate fake epg as shown below. Removing these items does not cause the little bit of epg that we do get to disappear, but it does stop most of the fake epg from populating.

To go a bit further, if the epg items are left in the image, then you may generate fake epg, plus you will have users asking why these features do not work. So it is better to delete these items than to have something that does not work.

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There's a couple guys over at Satelliteguys, that have figured out an EPG solution. PSIKIC and iBoston
[Only registered and activated users can see links]

[el bandido]

Neither one of them has presented an epg solution for North America that can be put into the image and work for others. There is no reason to have epg items in the TNAP image that can cause problems for others when only one person can use on their customized system.

[el bandido]

The freearhey plugin has been updated to version 1.4 in the TNAP 3.2 feeds. Do an online update to use the freearhey 1.4 version. You may also use opkg update in terminal.

[MikeB]

The freearhey plugin has been updated to version 1.4 in the TNAP 3.2 feeds. Do an online update to use the freearhey 1.4 version. You may also use opkg update in terminal.

When you find a channel within the Freearhey plugin, how, or is there a way for you export it to a Bouquet? The Green button for "Export" doesn't work. Or perhaps I don't know how/when to use it properly?

[eastof111]

Using 1.4 on Duo2 with latest SDG image doesn't export. Went back to 1.3.... working again. Thanks to the coder for a great plugin. The time involved finding stable iptv feeds and maintaining them is very time consuming. Thanks again.

[voomvoom]

I will try to update this plugin in TNAP 3.2. I appreciate the posting of this plugin update!

A new version v1.6 showed up today

[voomvoom]

A new version v1.6 showed up today

This plugin (version v1.6} does not work, when I posted it, I had not tried it. I just installed it and it's not working. So, forget this one for now?
SORRY....!!!

EDIT:
So I went back to version v1.4 and it does work..!!!