TNAP-5.1 Image Discussion

[el bandido]

TNAP 5.1 images are available now for supported receivers running TNAP 5. The TNAP 5.1 images are available under Flash image in the receiver menus and should be considered Test images as they are not 100% complete. The TNAP 5.1 images are considered to be stable, but may contain errors. TNAP 5.1 images will be posted in the download section of Legitfta once they are considered to be complete.

Several changes are in TNAP 5.1. Some of these changes may be noticed or not, depending on what you use the receiver for. An effort to improve the satellite scan performance has been made in enigma2 by adjusting timeout timers. IMO, some of the timers were set too long which in turn caused longer scan times due to waiting on the timeout timer.

Adjustments were made to the satellite blindscan plugin which allows signal in db to be seen before scanning a satellite. A motor start switch has also been added to keep the satellite dish motor from starting when you don't want it to. The satellite dish motor will still start automatically if needed once blindscan is started. Otherwise, you have to start the satellite motor. Either way, the satellite dish antenna needs to be aimed accurately at the satellite before blindscan starts!

A few adjustments were made to Positioner setup. Logs for Positioner setup now shows both lock and signal in db for a given position when running Auto focus. The Positioner setup is a good tool for satellite alignment, maintenance, and satellite dish antenna setup. Currently Positioner setup favors c band actuators, but efforts have been made to improve ku band as well.

TNAP 5.1 will also have miscellaneous updates from OpenPLi, and again, some of these updates may be noticed while others will not.

Overall, TNAP 5.1 will hopefully be seen as an improvement. Things like displaying signal below lock were added recently to TNAP 5 images and this feature is available to receivers or drivers that support it in TNAP 5.1. Detailed blindscan and satellite scan logs now show what the receiver saw for signal in db at the time when the transponder and or channels were logged.

Please report any problems, issues, or comments about TNAP 5.1 in this thread. Thanks to all that help and continue to support the TNAP images! EB

[Megatron817]

Thanks for the test image. Did find it crashed when scanning in the ATSC channels.

[el bandido]

The ATSC crash should be fixed. Images have been updated. Run Flash image again in receiver menus to get the fix or update.


You may notice a scan time improvement in ATSC.
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[el bandido]

Some attention has been given to the SF8008 Supreme and should also work on the SF8008. The file structure of the SF8008 and similar receivers such as Ustym4kpro allow for the mounting of the 4 assigned image slots with one command. It is easy to edit images when they are mounted, and the mounting is done automatically at boot if some requirements are met.

Some sort of storage greater than 2GB should be used as mounting the image slots can take some room. The storage path has to be: /media/usb in the receiver files. Make two folders in this storage path named Exactly slot4 and slot4.4. Reboot the receiver and you should find all 4 image slots mounted in the slot4 folder. The image slots will be mounted even if they don't contain an image.

Deleting the slot4 folder while the images are mounted in it will result in a fairly fatal error. Deleting the slot4 folder while the images are mounted is the same as deleting all 4 images at once!. The slot4.4 folder exists for removing the mounted images. You may delete the slot4.4 folder at anytime. The slot4 folder will be empty and nothing will be automatically mounted if the slot4.4 folder Does Not exist.

Be careful with this one!
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[el bandido]

A manual dish motor start has been added to the blindscan plugin. This feature was added to keep the motor from making unwanted starts. When Start Dish Motor is set to "yes", a call to move the satellite dish will be made and the signal level of the first transponder in the satellite list for the target satellite will be displayed.

The 5G repack changed many transponder frequencies in c band, which means several satellites will show no signal for the first transponder in the targeted satellite transponder list. Editing the satellites.xml file located by default in /etc/tuxbox can help solve this. A few satellites on c band currently do not have an active or full-time transponder. So some satellites in c band may show 0 for a signal ---even with editing until a full time transponder becomes available.

It will be up to the individual user to edit the satellites.xml file.

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89w-C band does not have a full-time transponder. This is a great satellite for feeds!
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[el bandido]

Show satellite Signal-Below-Lock is available on supported receivers in TNAP5.1. The Sf8008 Supreme supports showing a signal below lock with only enigma2 image modifications. The supported Edision receivers need a modified driver to show signal below lock. Modified drivers for the Edision are available in the Plugin feeds under extra. Currently there is no modification for signal below lock for the Original SF8008.

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The signal below lock feature needs to be enabled in the Antenna setup for each tuner.
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[lme]

After today's update, still missing some setting options:
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..or they are some "cosmetics" settings, not critical.
And the link to openpli site regarding picon are confusing.
In every image, I use to just make a "/picon" folder, & copy all my saved picons in it.

[el bandido]

After today's update, still missing some setting options:
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..or they are some "cosmetics" settings, not critical.
And the link to openpli site regarding picon are confusing.
In every image, I use to just make a "/picon" folder, & copy all my saved picons in it.

You do realize that these screenshots are OpenVix image????? So what are you asking here? You want OpenVix settings to be included in TNAP?

[lme]

You do realize that these screenshots are OpenVix image????? So what are you asking here? You want OpenVix settings to be included in TNAP?

They are in TNAP5 also !!!:

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..but they are not in 5.1 version.

[stephan94]

Hello
no problem with picons with the new version 5.1.

[Megatron817]

They are in TNAP5 also !!!:

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..but they are not in 5.1 version.

I see the setting to turn on Show picons in channel selection list by using OpenWebif under settings and Channel selection menu. That Channels selection menu is missing in the gui screens of tnap 5.1 .

[el bandido]

Press menu button 2 times in Channel Selection.
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[lme]

can't post anythig in Forum: C-Band Wildfeed Finds

[el bandido]

The forums are being worked on. You cannot easily attach anything right now either. Hopefully things will be straightened soon.

[lme]

Noticed 2 issues when updated tnap5 to 2024-3-24 and tnap 5.1, osmio4k+:
1) the box is sluggish when navigating through menus;
2) the versions are messing up the settings on the positioner, shifting the sat position by 17 clicks to the east.
no such issues with tnap5, 2024-3-12 update, or other image.
Any suggestions ?

[el bandido]

I do not have a working MIO+ to test. Does anyone else have the sluggish problem when navigating the menus?

Positioner locations are stored in the positioner, Not in the FTA receiver. All the enigma2 image can do is call a number such as positoon #1. The exact location of position #1 is stored in the positioner itself. So how can an image make a positioner 15 counts off when the location is stored in the positioner?

[lme]

I do not understand either: the positions # are the same in the box and the positioner.
It's strange that the same number of wrong counts (17), ocured.

I also noticed 2 different modules sizes:
TNAP5.1
avl6261.ko=68,656
wlan.ko=3,994,940

TNAP5
avl6261.ko=103,940
wlan.ko=3,995,836

[cyberham]

When saving the index for a motor position, the user is asked if you really want to save the position. You can answer yes, no or save index in the setup tuner.

[lme]

I know how the index works, but the problem is with the # of counts sent by the box to the positioner.
After using the fine tuning feature the box becames sluggish.

[el bandido]

Noticed 2 issues when updated tnap5 to 2024-3-24 and tnap 5.1, osmio4k+:
1) the box is sluggish when navigating through menus;
2) the versions are messing up the settings on the positioner, shifting the sat position by 17 clicks to the east.
no such issues with tnap5, 2024-3-12 update, or other image.
Any suggestions ?

Looks like an update is slowing the menu navigation down some. Let's see what can be done about fixing this issue.

[el bandido]

Please Flash the 0424 image that is online now and see if things work better.
Thanks

[lme]

Please Flash the 0424 image that is online now and see if things work better.
Thanks

"No updates available" message on software update menu !
what is "0424 image" ?

[el bandido]

Flash the image. Not update the image.

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[lme]

No improvement on my mio4k+ box: as soon i go in "signal finder" menu or any other tuner submenu, the sluggishness starts !
beside this, there are only 2 options for video output: dvi or rca only; no HDMI option, despite the fact that there are some other items listed with "controlled by HDMI" option !

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[el bandido]

The thing to do here may be to quit building the Edision receivers and let TNAP 5 be the last Edision build. My Edision MIO+ no longer works and My MIO 4K has a few issues. Anyway, we will see what needs to be done.

Thanks for testing it.

[stephan94]

On my MIO4K with TNAP 5.1 it only says DVI instead of HDMI, but that doesn't change the viewing quality on the TV.
I think it's an error of indication.
It's true that sometimes I have the impression that it goes more slowly in the different menus, but that's not always the case,
I've changed my skin and I have the impression is all OK
that this problem is no longer there ( these are just impressions )

[el bandido]

No improvement on my mio4k+ box: as soon i go in "signal finder" menu or any other tuner submenu, the sluggishness starts !
beside this, there are only 2 options for video output: dvi or rca only; no HDMI option, despite the fact that there are some other items listed with "controlled by HDMI" option !

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On my MIO4K with TNAP 5.1 it only says DVI instead of HDMI, but that doesn't change the viewing quality on the TV.
I think it's an error of indication.
It's true that sometimes I have the impression that it goes more slowly in the different menus, but that's not always the case,
I've changed my skin and I have the impression is all OK
that this problem is no longer there ( these are just impressions )

Flash the 0425 image that is available online. Thanks.

[stephan94]

the speed in the menus is now perfect, DVI is still there but it doesn't bother me.

[lme]

Can't go past "..fallback...,,," message.

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E2 crash:

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[lme]

Reflashed the last version, and during the setup I skipped the internet connection settings.
The image was installed good, and then I set the network (wlan connection).
Did the online update, and looks like the new version is installed.

[ArloG]

Interesting how diligence and persistence made it work.
Wondering. Is there a utility or command line that will layout, zero fill a partition from another running slot to prep it for a USB image flash?
Is that even a thing or is all of that done when doing a USB install? Some place a while back hinted that remnants could be left behind if the new image was smaller than the one it replaces.
Good question?

[lme]

Well, started to do some signal adjustings. As soon as I enter the "signal finder" menu , the box is slowing down to the point that is just stahls, and i have to unplug it to be able to get it back to useable situation.
See the dreadful spinner as the box struggles to respond to the comands:

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I guess is getting more sluggish as in the previous 5.1 version.

[Megatron817]

Well, started to do some signal adjustings. As soon as I enter the "signal finder" menu , the box is slowing down to the point that is just stahls, and i have to unplug it to be able to get it back to useable situation.
See the dreadful spinner as the box struggles to respond to the comands:

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I guess is getting more sluggish as in the previous 5.1 version.

Try the PLi-FullNightHD skin. I do see the sluggishness with the GlamourAuraFHD skin here as well.

[ArloG]

Would setting a swap file help? How about memory/processor usage? It is swamped?

[el bandido]

Let's see what can be done about this. Some major changes may be needed. Thanks for the feedback.

[lme]

Try the PLi-FullNightHD skin. I do see the sluggishness with the GlamourAuraFHD skin here as well.

changed the skin, but still slugginess, not so bad like on Aura, but still there. no such behavior on other pli based images.

[lme]

Would setting a swap file help? How about memory/processor usage? It is swamped?

here are pic of memory activity: mem1 is before going into "positioner setup" menu.
mem2 is after, when the sluggishness started.

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I do not find any major changed, unless I need new glasses !

[el bandido]

Please Flash 0426. You should find some improvements. Thanks.
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[lme]

Installing the 0426 version went well. All online updates installed ok.
Everything was good till I enter positioner setup-fine movement. After playing with the step e & step w, the sluggishness started to show up to the point that at the "exit" command the screen goes black for few seconds before you can see where you are in the menu. This is happening with Aura skin.
Fullnight hd skin performs a bit better with shorten lagging time in between the commands.
Overall, looks that it is an improvement for osmio4k+, fullnight hd skin, at least. Aura skin is still bad.

[el bandido]

What happens when you flash the image without restoring anything?

The Positioner setup may be the problem as it is logging signal in db. This is the only thing that has changed in Positioner setup.

[el bandido]

All online updates installed ok.

The online updates may be causing it. Let me tear the feeds down and rebuild them.

[lme]

One personal issue: trying to remove softcams-ncam, I get this message suggesting how to do it witch I do not understand, due to my missing e2 knowledge.

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[Megatron817]

What happens when you flash the image without restoring anything?

The Positioner setup may be the problem as it is logging signal in db. This is the only thing that has changed in Positioner setup.

I think the sluggish behavior is the satfinder system plugin that gets updated when doing an online software update. The 2024-04-26 image for the Mio4k+ is fine until a software update is done. I reverted the satfinder system plugin from before the software update and all is good again here.

[lme]

I think the sluggish behavior is the satfinder system plugin that gets updated when doing an online software update. The 2024-04-26 image for the Mio4k+ is fine until a software update is done. I reverted the satfinder system plugin from before the software update and all is good again here.
Can you post it ?
thx.

[Megatron817]

extract first then replace it at usr/lib/enigma2/python/plugins/SystemPlugins and reboot.

[lme]

extract first then replace it at usr/lib/enigma2/python/plugins/SystemPlugins and reboot.

Thank you.
I guess the place for the files is: usr/lib/enigma2/python/plugins/SystemPlugins/SATFINDER.
It is working better, but is missing "service list" in signal finder menu. So I replaced your plugin.pyc with the one from my tnap5 backup.

[lme]

An issue with the "backup suite": tryied to make backups with 2 diff USB brands, of 2 diff images, and both failed.
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[eastof111]

Backupsuite is letting you know that it's missing the zip file in the usr_bin directory.

[lme]

I understood that, so where is zip file ?
So, I took the chance and loaded the missing zip file from the tnap5 backup.
Now backupsuite is working.

[eastof111]

Don't have the same receiver as you, but I am guessing this file should work. If not, someone with the same receiver as you will have to upload.

Can't upload files right now, the BBS is still in repair mode....

[lme]

Thx, but I fix it: see #49.

[lme]

Any suggestions for post #42 ?

[el bandido]

In telnet, What is the output of: opkg list-installed

[lme]

In telnet, What is the output of: opkg list-installed

a bunch of lines like these:

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...and more.

[el bandido]

In telnet, the command opkg list-installed Does exactly what it says. It lists the packages that are installed, and yes, there are quite a few items in the list. The idea was to see what you had installed, but it doesn't look like that is gonna happen. Wait a bit and there will be another image which should straighten it out. If it doesn't get straightened out or fixed in the next image, then let me know and we will do something else.

[lme]

In telnet, the command opkg list-installed Does exactly what it says. It lists the packages that are installed, and yes, there are quite a few items in the list. The idea was to see what you had installed, but it doesn't look like that is gonna happen. Wait a bit and there will be another image which should straighten it out. If it doesn't get straightened out or fixed in the next image, then let me know and we will do something else.

So what should I look for in this list ?

[ArloG]

Easy. Scroll through the list of installed packages.
Find your ncam plugin. Highlight the line with your mouse. Smack <enter>.
That line appears at the bottom of the list. Scroll back to the beginning of that line.
Type in opkg -remove at the beginning of the line. Add a space so there is one between the command and the plugin name.
Scroll to the end on the line.
Smack <enter>.
There's more than one way to skin a cat, I know. But it works for me.

Remove ncam? Where's the fun in that? Unless it is set to autostart in the softcam manager, it remains dormant.

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[lme]

The problem is that "e2-plugins-softcams-ncam" is not on the list, but is in the remove plugins-softcams list !!!

[el bandido]

As mentioned earlier, the plugin problem should fix itself on the next update. Let me know if it doesn't and we will do something else.

[el bandido]

TNAP-5.1 images dated 0429 are online and available for Flash installation. These images should fix the rest of the issues, and appear to be solid in my tests of the MIO4K receiver. Positioner setup (Autofocus) has been checked along with satellite Blindscan, and some time was spent observing different features. No issues were found here.

Some sort of comments or feedback on the blindscan plugin would be appreciated. Signal in db has been added to the blindscan plugin for motorized dish systems to ensure the dish is aimed correctly before blindscanning a satellite. The dish motor does not move until started by the user, Unless the blindscan is started and the dish needs to move to the targeted satellite. Setting the blindscan plugin this way stops unwanted dish movement even on dual tuner systems.

About
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A find of 75 Transponders in a blindscan of 117w is Very Good!
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No problems found in Positioner setup or Autofocus.
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Please post any problems, comments, or issues with the 0429 image.

[el bandido]

TNAP images currently Does Not have a frequency spacing rule or requirement for transponders. Most enigma2 images require transponders with the same polarity to be spaced 2 or 4 MHZ apart.

Shown below, the MIO4K logged a transponder at 3929V and another transponder at 3930V on a blindscan of 117w. This is sort of a moot point in this case because neither transponder had channels or even a lock. But there are other transponders in the world that are spaced less than 2MHz apart that have channels or services. The Blindscan in TNAP is currently unfiltered and unregulated. Whatever is found is shown and scanned with very few exceptions. Really the only rule being it has to be a satellite transponder or at least resemble one.

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[lme]

Better version.
Found 1 not important issue in "signal finder": missing "service list" option, as it was in previous versions.

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[lme]

Just found that I can't remove softcam-ncam:

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also, when switching from one transponder to another, the signal jumps to the sky (45db, 26db, etc), before settling to whatever is normal:

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On a dead tp is doing the same:
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[el bandido]

In terminal, Enter this command: opkg remove --force-remove enigma2-plugin-softcams-ncam

REBOOT
Check installed Plugins.
Let me know if that does not work.


For the signal issue, Is Allow signal below lock turned On or Off?

Online updates should fix the signal meter shown in post#62.

[lme]

The removal went good.
The "Allow signal below lock" is off.
Well, the adding of the "service list" is slowing down the system, more then before with the dreadful spinner:

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[el bandido]

As a test, set "Allow signal below lock" to ON. see what effect that has on the signal level.

As another test change the skin for something simple and one that does not poll a lot. Try PLi HD night or something similar.

[lme]

With "Allow signal below lock" to ON, signal finder is showing a signal on dead tp:

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As for the sluggishness I replaced the 3 files in Satfinder folder with the ones from previous version, & sluggishness is gone

[el bandido]

Okay. Attach what you replaced.
I don't think there has been any updates to Satfinder in at least six months. Be interesting to see what you replaced with what we have. Thanks.

[lme]

Here it is:

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the only diff. is the size of 1 file: "plugin.pyc".

[el bandido]

Please use the private message system (pm) for random chatter that has nothing to do with this thread.

So Without making any other changes, installing that satfinder plugin makes your receiver run correctly, yes? What else is broken or in need of repair?

[lme]

Yes.
It looks like it is a normal run for whatever features I use, in all images, except "tnap mod" I didn't check it yet.
I will ask my friend how tnap 5.1 runs in osmiomini4k.
Can't say anything about other features (pluto, iptv, etc), I do not use.
Thank you for your work.

[eastof111]

Flashed 04-29-2024 version Supreme to slot 4.

Setup completed without any problems.

Switching channels on 101 c band (same mux) takes about 5 to 10 seconds. While staying on the same mux, switching channels are almost instant. A few minutes later, switching channels on same mux, takes 15 seconds. Nuts!

Switched to 87 ku and switched channels on same news mux and it took almost 30 seconds to tune in a channel. Switched to another channel in same mux and dropped down to 10 seconds. A few minutes later switched again and tune in was almost instant. Switched again and tune took 10 seconds.

While in 101 c band mux, went to system and selected signal finder. It took 15 seconds to display. Exited and returned a few minutes later and display was instant.

Rebooted to slot 3 (build date 02-22) where everything works well for me except with a few quirks that I avoid.

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[lme]

I noticed a little discrepancies on signal level between aura skin & plifullhd skin: aura shows better signal (+1-2db) over pli skin !
Here is a crush log from yesterday. Maybe EB can find any more info:

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[el bandido]

Where the infobar gets the db reading can be set in the MIO receivers. Look in one of the two the settings menus for this option.

Looks like the crash file comes from a python file that is different than what we are using. You will need to do an online update that will be available in a few minutes so everyone is on the same satfinder plugin.

Our satfinder contains a dvbreader that may be the heart of the problem with slowness. There are reasons WHY OpenPLi doesn't put the dvb reader in with the satfinder, but we should be able to get away with some things because the build here is only for a few receiver models.

Remember to delete any .py files before doing an online update!

[el bandido]

Flashed 04-29-2024 version Supreme to slot 4.

Setup completed without any problems.

Switching channels on 101 c band (same mux) takes about 5 to 10 seconds. While staying on the same mux, switching channels are almost instant. A few minutes later, switching channels on same mux, takes 15 seconds. Nuts!

Switched to 87 ku and switched channels on same news mux and it took almost 30 seconds to tune in a channel. Switched to another channel in same mux and dropped down to 10 seconds. A few minutes later switched again and tune in was almost instant. Switched again and tune took 10 seconds.

While in 101 c band mux, went to system and selected signal finder. It took 15 seconds to display. Exited and returned a few minutes later and display was instant.

Rebooted to slot 3 (build date 02-22) where everything works well for me except with a few quirks that I avoid.

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Try online update and see if things improve. Use the receiver menus or in terminal: opkg update && opkg upgrade

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[stephan94]

I don't have the 8008 supreme.
but with the Ustym 4K Pro (which is the twin brother of the other 8008) I've had absolutely no problems (so far).
changes between programmes are quick the signalfinder is very fast
the blindscan works well
I don't use the positioner (another receiver controls the antenna)
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[el bandido]

The dvbreader.so in the satfinder plugin allows the preview of channels or services on a transponder to be seen. The dvbreader.so is an executable with permission set at 0755.

The dvbreader.so has been in TNAP satfinder for some time. I will take a guess and say that some previous attempts to fix Satfinder crashes AFTER the dvbreader.so was added has allowed the dvbreader.so to run while navigating the menus. This would explain the problems of sluggish operation in the receivers.

The Satfinder that is in the feeds now goes back probably at least a year and a half. The file size of this Satfinder is small in part because there are no efforts to fix crashes in it. You can add swap files (band aid on a bullet wound), install more memory, or whatever else you want to do. But if the dvbreader.so is allowed to run when it should not run, then you will have problems!

[lme]

"The dvbreader.so in the satfinder plugin allows the preview of channels or services on a transponder to be seen. The dvbreader.so is an executable with permission set at 0755."
..but this file had & has 326 permission !!!! Should I change it to 755 ?
the other 2 files in the folder have permission 647.

[el bandido]

Do not change any permissions!

Permissions for dvbreader.so are changed in python.