Ok, another Hmmmm, and I am heading to the bush to see if there is any sign of deer. I moved the dish to 58W and sure enough, all Ku tp's showed signal and strength. I had decided to take Mengram's suggestion and delete all tp's and start over so I changed to 5150 to delete C band tp's and low and behold, strength and signal on all C Band tp's as well as the Ku tp's. Now you guys should have a better understanding of why I go by Easily Confused. Hmmmmm!!