Well, lo and behold, I have had success. No signal, this morning and I had noticed that after upgrading, more than one sat seemed to have lower Q. Not significantly enough to have any effect but less, none the less. Considering my Q on tp3904 was very low to start, I decided to try something. I lowered the dish slightly on the vertical, with no change. I then raised the dish slightly, on the vertical and started seeing a minor fluctuation from 10 to 12%. Then I bumped the dish slightly east and managed to lock onto the tp. Oddly enough, after updating the firmware I found that I had to bump almost every sat slightly east or slightly west to get the same Q signal as before. So, after only 5 days I have everything back to normal and I have figured out the recoding on the S9. The only thing I have not done is managed to get the previously recorded movies back on to the external HDD so they will play but that is sure not the end of the world. Too bad the AZ Box is as pricey as it is. Hopefully somebody will put out an stb that is high quality at an affordable price.