MicroHD receiver
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Let me say first, I do not have a MicroHD. I do not plan to get one because it is an Ali receiver and I have plenty of Ali receivers.
All of the Ali receivers do about the same thing. They all blind scan about the same, and they all have about the same features. Look closely in the Micro HD reviews and you will see that it scans no better or worse than most of the other popular Ali receivers.
There are a couple of features that are exclusive to the MicroHD. One is the ability to do closed captioning, and the other is the ability to be updated by satellite. These are the only two exclusive MicroHD features that I see which are not available on another Ali receiver that I know of today, but you can expect this to change.
To me, the hardware on the MicroHd when compared to its delivered price of $139.50 is a joke! It looks like they tried their best to make the cheapest fta receiver possible, and nobody does it cheaper than China.
You do not have a loop out connection on the MicroHd, and you do not have a RS232 port for receiver recovery. To use the RS232 on the MicroHd, you will need to take the receiver apart, and connect a TTL converter to the receiver in order to have RS232 capability. I expect this to be beyond the ability of most people so the receiver will need to be returned to the factory if if you need to recover the receiver. Ali receivers are bad about locking up if there is an error in the sat file, so people need to be very careful when modifying or editing the sat file outside of the MicroHd receiver.
Speaking of editing the sat file, there is no way to do this outside the MicroHD except through USB sticks. There is not a LAN or Ethernet port on the MicroHD so you cannot edit anything through the network or even have the MicroHD on a network.
One thing I will give the MicroHd credit for is support. Brian Gohl has done an excellent job of trying to fix the MicroHd to suit the needs of the people in North America. The level of support that Brian is giving doesn't surprise me when the $139.50 price tag is considered. Currently there is a huge profit margin on the MicroHd receiver.
The Openbox S12 can be delivered to your house for less than half the cost of a MicroHD. The Openbox S12 has a LAN or Ethernet connection so basic file transfers can take place over your network. The Openbox S12 has a loop out connection, a front display instead of two idiot lights,and 4 pins on the back of the receiver for a RS232 connection. The four pins on the back of the Openbox S12 do not require a RS 232 TTL converter but you will have to purchase or make a connector to use the RS232 on the S12.
All things being created equal, I do not care too much about price. If a receiver has the features I want at a price that I can afford then I will buy it.
I think the same is true for the MicroHd. It does have a very high price at $139.50 but it is supported in the U.S., and I would not hesitate to buy it if I needed the couple of exclusive features that it has. Otherwise, I would buy the Openbox S12 for less than half price and have a receiver with more hardware.
I wish Brian Gohl the best with his MicroHd but I feel that the price of his receiver needs to come down....Way down. EB
All of the Ali receivers do about the same thing. They all blind scan about the same, and they all have about the same features. Look closely in the Micro HD reviews and you will see that it scans no better or worse than most of the other popular Ali receivers.
There are a couple of features that are exclusive to the MicroHD. One is the ability to do closed captioning, and the other is the ability to be updated by satellite. These are the only two exclusive MicroHD features that I see which are not available on another Ali receiver that I know of today, but you can expect this to change.
To me, the hardware on the MicroHd when compared to its delivered price of $139.50 is a joke! It looks like they tried their best to make the cheapest fta receiver possible, and nobody does it cheaper than China.
You do not have a loop out connection on the MicroHd, and you do not have a RS232 port for receiver recovery. To use the RS232 on the MicroHd, you will need to take the receiver apart, and connect a TTL converter to the receiver in order to have RS232 capability. I expect this to be beyond the ability of most people so the receiver will need to be returned to the factory if if you need to recover the receiver. Ali receivers are bad about locking up if there is an error in the sat file, so people need to be very careful when modifying or editing the sat file outside of the MicroHd receiver.
Speaking of editing the sat file, there is no way to do this outside the MicroHD except through USB sticks. There is not a LAN or Ethernet port on the MicroHD so you cannot edit anything through the network or even have the MicroHD on a network.
One thing I will give the MicroHd credit for is support. Brian Gohl has done an excellent job of trying to fix the MicroHd to suit the needs of the people in North America. The level of support that Brian is giving doesn't surprise me when the $139.50 price tag is considered. Currently there is a huge profit margin on the MicroHd receiver.
The Openbox S12 can be delivered to your house for less than half the cost of a MicroHD. The Openbox S12 has a LAN or Ethernet connection so basic file transfers can take place over your network. The Openbox S12 has a loop out connection, a front display instead of two idiot lights,and 4 pins on the back of the receiver for a RS232 connection. The four pins on the back of the Openbox S12 do not require a RS 232 TTL converter but you will have to purchase or make a connector to use the RS232 on the S12.
All things being created equal, I do not care too much about price. If a receiver has the features I want at a price that I can afford then I will buy it.
I think the same is true for the MicroHd. It does have a very high price at $139.50 but it is supported in the U.S., and I would not hesitate to buy it if I needed the couple of exclusive features that it has. Otherwise, I would buy the Openbox S12 for less than half price and have a receiver with more hardware.
I wish Brian Gohl the best with his MicroHd but I feel that the price of his receiver needs to come down....Way down. EB
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was reading sat guys today this was a post i saw there about new lower prices on the micro lol
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It did not take long for the MicroHD to hit e-bay with a lower price at $99 plus free shipping.By Christmas it will be 2 for $99 shipped.
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I also give him credit for trying, but my feeling is he should have chosen a different box (Non Micro) I like a box with as many inputs/outputs as possible. and preferably not the same old ALI chip with the same limitations..The new age is LAN connection and the old age is RS232, both are still needed in this day and age for multiple reasons.
We live in the age of the Internet now and to me if a new box cannot connect to the Net then it is behind the times and not going forward..it's really going backwards.
Not asking the factory to include available options on input/ouputs to save costs and charge more for a Chinese box is IMO asking for trouble down the road.
So far the buyers of this box and the related Hype are only on one site..I see no posts anywhere else on the net, apart from this one.
I do know He was attempting to get a box that would do 4:2:2 I did see his posts on a few Chinese manufacturing sites asking about this to no avail.
I also wish him all the best with this Micro.. Time will tell how much this over priced box will succeed in the long run or short run.
This is why we at Legit are always looking at boxes from Europe, they tend to be much more advanced with much more options..
The price may be more, but as the old saying goes..You get what you pay for!
We live in the age of the Internet now and to me if a new box cannot connect to the Net then it is behind the times and not going forward..it's really going backwards.
Not asking the factory to include available options on input/ouputs to save costs and charge more for a Chinese box is IMO asking for trouble down the road.
So far the buyers of this box and the related Hype are only on one site..I see no posts anywhere else on the net, apart from this one.
I do know He was attempting to get a box that would do 4:2:2 I did see his posts on a few Chinese manufacturing sites asking about this to no avail.
I also wish him all the best with this Micro.. Time will tell how much this over priced box will succeed in the long run or short run.
This is why we at Legit are always looking at boxes from Europe, they tend to be much more advanced with much more options..
The price may be more, but as the old saying goes..You get what you pay for!
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I bought the Micro and had it for several weeks as I was lucky to get on a early ship list. So people were floored when I put it up for sale at $79 so soon. But I didn't need much time to realize it has few features better than the Openbox and Manhattan I already had. EB you were quite correct about the good, and not so good features. I would add that it can delete all TPs on a given sat with one push. Also the manual pid entry works from the remote. Beyond that what is the point. I think the over hype came from us members ourselves, we made it larger than life. The legacy ALi handcuffs was my biggest disappointment. Having to re-select the sat you are working with every time you change menus is maddening. Everything you didn't like about the Openbox is included in the Micro.
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I can say for sure that most of the gang probably got their Micro as beta tester or for friendly support or maybe just for free. Any time you try to make any suggestion they all jump on you and they want it to smash you. Any time someone ask for references they all jump and reccomend the Micro. This is a similar trend used by Ricks with their Az. Me, like others may have HDTV which doesnt have HDMI connections and the component/composite is a most beside the rocker switch. Any time I tried to suggest to redesign the box to include both they kill me. I dont own one and will probably wont in the near future of course they drop from their star and come down to the earth on their prices and redesign the box to include the missing features. Even the cheapers $25 DVD players from Walmart comes with Component Analog/ Component composite HD connectors.
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I originally was contacted to beta test the MicroHD and write a review, but when I started supporting Optibox and Skybox receivers I apparently was taken off the list. I too believe it is greatly overpriced.
Ya I'm not in the Micro club and don't have time to read the hyped threads. If this box is as limited as it seems I think it will be pretty much forgotten by Xmas. Seems like it may be OK for folks who just need a plain Jane DVB-S2 receiver that will not give them too many headaches but that's pretty much where it ends. Sounds like a stripped down Openbox with a couple less bugs. Even if I never bought my Openbox S9 a little over a year ago I believe I would be much more apt to purchase one of the new multimedia boxes (Optibox, GM, Amiko) since there are so many streaming channels online that are not available FTA.
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I'm guessing they sold about 200 initially. Not much comment in the support thread from all those owners, almost quiet in there. Hmmnn.. wonder why?
I can understand enthusiasm, and there is nothing wrong with it. Sometimes I think we see what we want to see and we believe what we want to believe about something until the newness wears off or reality settles in.
What I cannot understand is a mod that says he has tested about 60 receivers and claims that the Coolsat scans the best of any of them....until the MicroHD showed up.
This same unemployed mod was sent a free Manhattan to review and test, but he never bothered to write a review or really test it publicly. I guess being unemployed took up too much of his free time?
Wait and see. The newness of the Micro will wear off in a short amount of time. Then the reality of it being another Ali receiver with a few extra features will set in. I do think the MicroHD is a good Ali receiver, but I am not too happy with the way it has been presented or its price. EB
What I cannot understand is a mod that says he has tested about 60 receivers and claims that the Coolsat scans the best of any of them....until the MicroHD showed up.
This same unemployed mod was sent a free Manhattan to review and test, but he never bothered to write a review or really test it publicly. I guess being unemployed took up too much of his free time?
Wait and see. The newness of the Micro will wear off in a short amount of time. Then the reality of it being another Ali receiver with a few extra features will set in. I do think the MicroHD is a good Ali receiver, but I am not too happy with the way it has been presented or its price. EB
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i read at sat guys the site i see the dude who is unemployed i read his posts may be he gets 10 dolars each time somone buys a micro or maybe he is partners with this other dude ......
from reading around that site sure dont make me want to post anything bad about there prize micro sat fta and if folks want to pay more for a box thats not much different than the open box so be it............
only feature the micro has that would have interested me was pid entry with the remote and having the open box s9 already for 89.00 shiped orignal chip 125 was to steep now 139 or even the e bay dude now for 99 isnt a bargain
the pid entry i have a work around with the open box or pretty much any ali fta that dont have pid entry and its not like we have so many hidden channels to see in the first place! that would make one want to go buy a micro cause you can add the pids with the remote...
heres a thought for all forum folks does your micro find the hidden pids when there is hidden pids when it blind scans?
of course it dont find them there hidden! so who posts the hidden pids on sat guys forum for you folks to add into the micro ! hmmmm???
RICKS! SITE? maybe mega bandwith posters slayers from the hypers site? or maybe you come here and find them from ME! (when i find them)
not that i will always be first in finding hidden pids and posting them (of course i will only post hidden pids here at legit !)
but if i do find them i will post them i could if i want to make a pid finder add on for any fta even the micro then there group of satguys wont have to go to other forums to find the hidden pids to add to there micro they can find them like me with just there micro box and a remote and since its gonna be asked finding hidden pids has nothing to do with blind scanning them in ,
from reading around that site sure dont make me want to post anything bad about there prize micro sat fta and if folks want to pay more for a box thats not much different than the open box so be it............
only feature the micro has that would have interested me was pid entry with the remote and having the open box s9 already for 89.00 shiped orignal chip 125 was to steep now 139 or even the e bay dude now for 99 isnt a bargain
the pid entry i have a work around with the open box or pretty much any ali fta that dont have pid entry and its not like we have so many hidden channels to see in the first place! that would make one want to go buy a micro cause you can add the pids with the remote...
heres a thought for all forum folks does your micro find the hidden pids when there is hidden pids when it blind scans?
of course it dont find them there hidden! so who posts the hidden pids on sat guys forum for you folks to add into the micro ! hmmmm???
RICKS! SITE? maybe mega bandwith posters slayers from the hypers site? or maybe you come here and find them from ME! (when i find them)
not that i will always be first in finding hidden pids and posting them (of course i will only post hidden pids here at legit !)
but if i do find them i will post them i could if i want to make a pid finder add on for any fta even the micro then there group of satguys wont have to go to other forums to find the hidden pids to add to there micro they can find them like me with just there micro box and a remote and since its gonna be asked finding hidden pids has nothing to do with blind scanning them in ,
I looked on Ebay and did not see a MicroHD for 99 dollars. All that were listed were more than that.
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Tuna,
I tried keying in hidden pids on the Micro, it didn't find anything. The manual pid feature does work for known existing pids. They said they were going to improve this feature in future updates.
You can key in hidden pids on some receivers out there including the Manhattan.
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TunaDude
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so even if you own a micro and you add the hidden pids it wont work?
pixl do you have the rai ilaly hidden channel its 12118v 4130 this is 118.6 but will work on a 119 circular if you add the tp in your tp area 12118v wont blind scan in on 119 circular lnb see if you can try if you dont have it go add 12118v to your 119 then see if you can add the pids 4130 4131 with the manhattan? from what you wrote your saying you can add them but they dont work?
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i saw the 100 dollar price from a post at sat guys i didnt check on e bay just copied the post and left it here but cut out the name of the poster and info didnt want to make any one mad from over there they seem so touchy and all
Manual PIDS can be added two different ways in a receiver.
1. The PID information is entered into the receiver and the transponder is scanned for the information. If the PID information is found then it is added to the channel file. If the PID information is not found then the PID information is discarded.
2. The PID information is entered into the receiver and this information is added to the channel file.
There are several receivers that can do ONE of the above, but the Optibox is the only receiver that I know of which has BOTH options.
1. The PID information is entered into the receiver and the transponder is scanned for the information. If the PID information is found then it is added to the channel file. If the PID information is not found then the PID information is discarded.
2. The PID information is entered into the receiver and this information is added to the channel file.
There are several receivers that can do ONE of the above, but the Optibox is the only receiver that I know of which has BOTH options.