Octagon SF8008 Supreme

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Octagon released an updated version of the SF8008 about a month ago. This updated version is called the SF8008 Supreme. The main difference from the previous SF8008 model is the Sf8008 Supreme has provisions for an internal solid state drive or hard drive.

Another difference is the tuner - demod combination. The Octagon SF8008 identifies the tuner as Silabs, si2166D. The SF8008 Supreme identifies the tuner as Avalink, AVL62X1. The SF8008 Supreme also has better wifi capability, but really, other than these items, nothing else is different.

The SF8008 Supreme needs a bit of work. The Supreme blindscan is not as good as the SF8008, and the Supreme is not capable of receiving transponders with a symbol rate less than (about) 1000. The SF8008 is capable of receiving transponders with symbol rates less than 300.

It should be noted that Octagon will be busy with other projects until around 02-20-2024. The SF8008 Supreme will probably not receive any factory type modifications or updates until at least the end of this month. From what I have seen so far, and my few days of using the SF8008 Supreme, the receiver is stable enough, but it just does not operate or function as well in some areas as the SF8008.

DREAMPORTUGAL will be selling the SF8008 Supreme, and this would be my recommend and preferred location for purchasing this receiver in the United States.

Currently the Sf8008 and the SF8008 Supreme share the same enigma2 image. These two receivers also share the same remote, which can be good or bad, depending on your application of the receiver.

I have only had the SF8008 Supreme for a few days, and have not had much free time to test it. More information about this receiver should follow in this thread. SF8008 Supreme updates and modifications are also expected, but they are not guaranteed. Do Not Buy the SF8008 Supreme unless you are happy with the way it performs now because factory updates for it may never come.

On a scale of 1 to 10 with 1 being the worst and 10 being the best, I would give the Sf8008 Supreme a 7. Yes, there are things that need work, but overall, it is just an updated version of the SF8008.
 
The SF8008 and the SF8008 Supreme identify as the same receiver. The SF8008 and SF8008 Supreme both identify as SF8008. This can be very confusing when trying to transfer files. Hopefully identification will be fixed by Octagon.

Shown below are a recent blindscan of 117w between the SF8008 and SF8008 Supreme. Scan logs are also attached. Some receiver menus have been modified to show the receiver model. This was done to remove confusion as to which receiver you are looking at.

The SF8008 logged 70 transponders. The SF8008 Supreme logged 68.

117w-blindscan-sf8008-tp.webp

117w-sf8008-end.webp

117w-blindscan-sf8008-supreme-tp.webp

117w-sf8008-supreme-end.webp


(Scan files are attached.)
 

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The SF8008 Supreme has the ability to show signal below lock without any driver modifications. There are some enigma2 modifications that have to be made to allow this receiver to show signal below lock, but no driver modifications are needed. Other receivers such as Edision MIO 4K's need both driver modifications and enigma modifications to show signal below lock.

Being able to see the signal below lock is useful for dish aligning, and can also give an idea as to how much more signal is needed to view a certain transponder. I consider having the signal below lock feature a Plus, but I do not need it very often. It is a very nice feature to have though when needed!

sf8008-supreme-signal-below-lock.webp

Transponders with a high fec, 8psk, and apsk will take more signal to lock as shown below.
sf8008-supreme-99w-abc-signal-below-lock.webp
 
AN internal hard drive (SSD) makes the receiver experience better, and is needed for movies, file loading, and anything else you want to store. IMO, if you are gonna buy storage space, get something with a good reputation. I purchased a Kingston Terabyte stick and installed it into the receiver.

Instructions on installing additional storage internally is included with the receiver. Installing the Kingston stick shown below took a few minutes, but was no more difficult than installing ram into an older computer.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BBWH1R8H?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details&th=1

Screenshot from 2024-02-07 00-13-53.webp

On a scale of 1 to 10 with one being the worst and ten being the best, I would rate the Supreme as an 8 after this SSD installation. We are on our way to having a good FTA DX type receiver.
 
The SF8008 Supreme seems to find too many 16 and 32 apsk transponders on Ku band. I took some time earlier and compared the blindcsans of 87w and 103w that are shown below with a friend using TBS5925. The scans shown below were comparable to the 5925 TBS card, so everything is OK on the Ku scanning. It should be noted though The SF8008 Supreme does not currently find much of anything below 1000SR.



Code: 
                         Scan Report 

< File created on Tuesday, February 06, 2024 at 19:03:21 > 
< Satellite =  87.1W Ku-band SES 2 & TKSat 1 >
< Receiver =  SF8008-Supreme >
< Enigma2 Image = Tnap 5.1 > 
< Kernel Version = 4.4.35 > 
< DVB Driver Date = 2024-01-04 > 
< Blindscan Frequency Range = 11700 to 12750 MHz > 
< Blindscan Symbol Rate Range = 1 to 60 Msps > 
< Blindscan Only Free Channels or Services? = False  > 
< Tuner = Tuner B: AVL62X1 (DVB-S2) >


< 'DVB-S2 32APSK 11706H / 6667 / 3/4' > Tp# 1

< 'DVB-S 11781V / 5000 / 1/2' > Tp# 2

< 'DVB-S 11796V / 5000 / 1/2' > Tp# 3
< (1)11796V SID 0x5014 --- UnKnown Service Type 64 />  1:0:64:5014:441:0:AA9AE14:0:0:0:
< (2)11796V SID 0x9c40 --- UnKnown Service Type 64 />  1:0:64:9C40:441:0:AA9AE14:0:0:0:
< (3)11796V SID 0x9c41 --- UnKnown Service Type 64 />  1:0:64:9C41:441:0:AA9AE14:0:0:0:

< 'DVB-S2 8PSK 11804H / 1250 / 3/5' > Tp# 4
< (4)11804H SID 0x08 />  1:0:1:8:8:0:AA92E1C:0:0:0:

< 'DVB-S2 8PSK 11812H / 11150 / 3/5' > Tp# 5
< (5)11812H SID 0x04 />  1:0:1:4:50F:0:AA92E24:0:0:0:
< (6)11812H SID 0x05 />  1:0:1:5:50F:0:AA92E24:0:0:0:
< (7)11812H SID 0x06 />  1:0:1:6:50F:0:AA92E24:0:0:0:

< 'DVB-S2 QPSK 11813V / 17900 / AUTO' > Tp# 6

< 'DVB-S2 32APSK 11911H / 2945 / 3/4' > Tp# 7

< 'DVB-S2 QPSK 11919H / 2400 / AUTO' > Tp# 8

< 'DVB-S2 8PSK 11960H / 29999 / 3/4' > Tp# 9
< (8)NS Ch1 />  1:0:1:1:220:1:AA90000:0:0:0:
< (9)NS Ch2 />  1:0:1:2:220:1:AA90000:0:0:0:
< (10)NS Ch3 />  1:0:1:3:220:1:AA90000:0:0:0:
< (11)NS Ch4 />  1:0:1:4:220:1:AA90000:0:0:0:
< (12)NS Ch5 />  1:0:1:5:220:1:AA90000:0:0:0:
< (13)NS Ch6 />  1:0:1:6:220:1:AA90000:0:0:0:
< (14)NS Ch7 />  1:0:1:7:220:1:AA90000:0:0:0:

< 'DVB-S2 32APSK 11994V / 7500 / 3/4' > Tp# 10

< 'DVB-S2 QPSK 12004H / 1383 / 2/3' > Tp# 11

< 'DVB-S2 QPSK 12018H / 1000 / 2/3' > Tp# 12

< 'DVB-S2 8PSK 12044V / 3200 / 2/3' > Tp# 13
< (15)FLCH />  1:0:1:3:4:1:AA90000:0:0:0:

< 'DVB-S2 8PSK 12050V / 4800 / 2/3' > Tp# 14
< (16)Lottery-HD />  1:0:19:1:1:1:AA9AF12:0:0:0:

< 'DVB-S2 QPSK 12064H / 2000 / AUTO' > Tp# 15

< 'DVB-S2 32APSK 12094V / 6182 / 3/4' > Tp# 16

< 'DVB-S 12098V / 1036 / 7/8' > Tp# 17

< 'DVB-S2 QPSK 12114H / 11606 / 3/4' > Tp# 18

< 'DVB-S2 8PSK 12136H / 3979 / 3/4' > Tp# 19
< (17)MSC 2 />  1:0:19:2:1:1:AA92F68:0:0:0:< 

Blind Scan Time = 8 Min. 13 Sec.
17 Channels ( TV = 17  Radio = 0)  19 of 19 Transponders Scanned.

Code: 
                         Scan Report 

< File created on Tuesday, February 06, 2024 at 18:48:00 > 
< Satellite =  103.0W Ku-band T10/T12 & SES 3 >
< Receiver =  SF8008-Supreme >
< Enigma2 Image = Tnap 5.1 > 
< Kernel Version = 4.4.35 > 
< DVB Driver Date = 2024-01-04 > 
< Blindscan Frequency Range = 11700 to 12750 MHz > 
< Blindscan Symbol Rate Range = 1 to 60 Msps > 
< Blindscan Only Free Channels or Services? = False  > 
< Tuner = Tuner B: AVL62X1 (DVB-S2) >


< 'DVB-S2 QPSK 11704V / 3650 / 3/4' > Tp# 1

< 'DVB-S2 8PSK 11720H / 14999 / 3/4' > Tp# 2
< (1)ENC-3 KU BAND MAIN />  1:0:19:1:1:1:A0A2DC8:0:0:0:

< 'DVB-S2 QPSK 11765V / 5000 / 3/4' > Tp# 3

< 'DVB-S2 32APSK 11796V / 5000 / 3/4' > Tp# 4

< 'DVB-S2 32APSK 11830H / 12174 / 3/4' > Tp# 5

< 'DVB-S2 32APSK 11853H / 4580 / 3/4' > Tp# 6

< 'DVB-S2 32APSK 11875H / 20901 / 3/4' > Tp# 7

< 'DVB-S2 32APSK 11944V / 6666 / 3/4' > Tp# 8

< 'DVB-S2 QPSK 11955V / 2500 / AUTO' > Tp# 9

< 'DVB-S2 32APSK 11955H / 20898 / 3/4' > Tp# 10

< 'DVB-S2 32APSK 12000H / 30002 / 3/4' > Tp# 11

< 'DVB-S2 16APSK 12055V / 5450 / 8/9' > Tp# 12

< 'DVB-S2 8PSK 12080H / 29970 / 5/6' > Tp# 13
< (2)NTA />  1:0:1:3:DBF:A:A0A0000:0:0:0:
< (3)DW English HD />  1:0:1:1388:DBF:A:A0A0000:0:0:0:

< 'DVB-S2 8PSK 12120H / 29999 / 5/6' > Tp# 14
< (4)Cozi TV Ku />  1:0:1:1C:1:1:A0A2F58:0:0:0:
< (5)NBC East HD />  1:0:1:3D:1:1:A0A2F58:0:0:0:
< (6)NBC Central HD />  1:0:1:3E:1:1:A0A2F58:0:0:0:
< (7)NBC Mountain HD />  1:0:1:3F:1:1:A0A2F58:0:0:0:
< (8)NBC West HD />  1:0:1:40:1:1:A0A2F58:0:0:0:
< (9)NBC Occasional 1 HD />  1:0:1:41:1:1:A0A2F58:0:0:0:
< (10)NBC Occasional 2 HD />  1:0:1:42:1:1:A0A2F58:0:0:0:
< (11)NBC Occasional 3 HD />  1:0:1:43:1:1:A0A2F58:0:0:0:
< (12)CTS Data Carousel />  1:0:C:44:1:1:A0A2F58:0:0:0:

< 'DVB-S 12145V / 20000 / 3/4' > Tp# 15
< (13)WRAL FM 1015 --- UnKnown Service Type 7: />  1:0:7:3F7:1:0:A0AAF71:0:0:0:
< (14)MicroSpace61   (Radio #1) />  1:0:2:3D:1:0:A0AAF71:0:0:0:
< (15)Srv_7 />  1:0:1:7:1:0:A0AAF71:0:0:0:
< (16)Srv_6 />  1:0:1:6:1:0:A0AAF71:0:0:0:
< (17)MS81 />  1:0:1:51:1:0:A0AAF71:0:0:0:
< (18)Srv_1 />  1:0:1:1:1:0:A0AAF71:0:0:0:
< (19)Srv_2 />  1:0:1:2:1:0:A0AAF71:0:0:0:
< (20)Srv_3 />  1:0:1:3:1:0:A0AAF71:0:0:0:
< (21)Srv_5 />  1:0:1:5:1:0:A0AAF71:0:0:0:
< (22)OU_Test />  1:0:1:2C:1:0:A0AAF71:0:0:0:< 

Blind Scan Time = 6 Min. 31 Sec.
22 Channels ( TV = 21  Radio = 1)  15 of 15 Transponders Scanned.
 
How to answer with a good sales/marketing response......lol

Kücükogul Necati <info@octagon-germany.de>
Wed 2/7/2024 5:38 AM
​
yes start from sr 100.
blindscan works, on unicable blindscan you need to test, should be works


> But another question.....
>
> If the tuners can do blind scan, would unicable lnb's work with the tuners?
> AND, would the tuners be able to blind scan with the unicable lnb's?

> Also, can this receiver really blind scan signals with 100 symbol rates or is
> that just a typo error in your advertising?

> Thanks again,
 
Currently, The lowest symbol rate transponder that the SF8008 Supreme can resolve is 833 on 117w. There is an active transponder on 87w ku that has a symbol rate of 593. The SF8008 can scan and play the radio channels on this transponder, but the SF8008 Supreme cannot.

Myu experience with Avalink is it will work down to around a 500 symbol rate with modifications, but cannot go lower than that. The Edision MIO receivers also have Avalink and 833 symbol rate is as low as they will go without modifications to the Avalink driver. SO IMO the Octagon salesman is selling and is not being realistic about the low symbol rate capability of the SF8008 Syupreme. Let's see if they modify the driver.
 
Don't really think they do actual live testing to see if the units meet the specs. Most likely they quote the specs from the data sheets supplied by the component designers.
 
Octagon or anyone else that makes non-commercial fta equipment does not care. Specs mean absolutely Nothing as we see here with the low symbol rate. Whatever the specs show, the receiver or equipment should be capable of, or able to meet advertised specs. But for us with the homeowner fta equipment, specs are eye candy.

Octagon may not have the equipment needed to test the low symbol rate, but other people do. Octagon simply does not care IMO. It's all about selling the receiver and nothing else really matters as long as the receiver is being sold.
 
Octagon SF8008 Supreme has the ability to show signal below lock with some changes to enigma2. Other enigma2 receivers can also show signal below lock If the drivers are modified, and changes are made to enigma2. Provisions to show signal nelow lock will be available in Antenna setup as shown below.

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1_0_1_4_50F_0_AA92E24_0_0_0_20240208194445.webp
 
The signal below lock feature is useful for knowing if a signal that you want exists on your satellite dish.

I would like to find a DVB-S2 transponder on 121w. The transponder is 4160 H, 34286 SR, 16APSK, 9/10 FEC. Around 13 db is required to lock this transponder, and I do not have that much signal. It is possible the signal power will increase on this transponder, Or I can look at fine tuning my dish system. But the signal has to come up quite a bit. I doubt the signal can be increased a lot in tuning the dish. But at least I know how strong the signal is now and I also know the signal is present on my satellite dish without connecting a signal analyzer.

screenshot_20240210110622.webp
 
The SF8008 Supreme takes a long time to blindscasn the transponders and/or scan the transponders found in blindscan. Let's take at look ande see if we can find out why.

A very recent blindscan of 121w found 3 transponders in about a minute and a half. The total time, blindscan to find the transponders and then scan the transponders found was over 8 minutes. Shown below is the scan report.

Code: 
                         Scan Report 

< File created on Saturday, February 10, 2024 at 21:20:38 > 
< Satellite =  121.1W C-band Galaxy 31 >
< Receiver =  SF8008-Supreme >
< Enigma2 Image = Tnap 5.1 > 
< Kernel Version = 4.4.35 > 
< DVB Driver Date = 2024-01-04 > 
< Blindscan Frequency Range = 3625 to 4800 MHz > 
< Blindscan Symbol Rate Range = 1 to 60 Msps > 
< Blindscan Only Free Channels or Services? = False  > 
< Tuner = Tuner A: AVL62X1 (DVB-S2) >


< 'DVB-S2 16APSK 3920H / 34286 / 2/3' > Tp# 1

< 'DVB-S2 QPSK 4020V / 29999 / AUTO' > Tp# 2

< 'DVB-S2 QPSK 4152V / 8300 / AUTO' > Tp# 3< 

Blind Scan Time = 8 Min. 18 Sec.
0 Channels ( TV = 0  Radio = 0)  3 of 3 Transponders Scanned.

The three transponders that blindscan found were loaded into the receiver's satellite.xml file so they could be viewed in signal finder or Positioner setup.

Transponder 3920H Has No Lock.
121w-3920H-No_Lock.webp

Transponder 4020V Has No Lock.
121w-4020V-No_Lock.webp

Let's turn signal below lock Off.
Signa-_Below_Lock-OFF.webp

Now let's look at 4020V again.
121w-4020V-No_Signal.webp


Two things to point out here.

(1) Having the ability to see signal values below lock shows you more of what is going on, and also shows that indeed what was found in blindscan does have a signal.
(2) The SF8008 Supreme is having problems or issues with signals that have no lock. From testing this receiver, I would go further and say the SF8008 Supreme is also having problems or issues with weak signals, but I have not yet been able to prove that.

It should not take 8 minutes to find three transponders and scan them.
The SF8008 Supreme performs poor in this area. Maybe it is something they will fix....Maybe not. We will see... But I would rather have a receiver that drags like this as compared to a receiver that rejects these transponders completely. Finding transponders is the key, or half the picture. The whole picture is to find transponders and their channels in a reasonable amount of time.
 
The Edision MIO 4K shows the 4020V transponder at 121w as multi-stream. Looks like the SF8008 Supreme is not capable of understanding multi-stream.

Notice the time difference. Edision took a little over a minute to do the job compared to the SF8008 taking 8 minutes.

121w-Edision.webp

121w-Edision-complete.webp




Code: 
                         Scan Report 

< File created on Saturday, February 10, 2024 at 22:58:51 > 
< Satellite =  121.1W C-band Galaxy 31 >
< Receiver = edision osmio4k >
< Enigma2 Image = Tnap 5 > 
< Kernel Version = 5.15.0 > 
< DVB Driver Date = 0211-10-3a > 
< Blindscan Frequency Range = 3625 to 4800 MHz > 
< Blindscan Symbol Rate Range = 1 to 60 Msps > 
< Blindscan Only Free Channels or Services? = False  > 
< Tuner = Tuner A: Availink AVL6261 (DVB-S2X) >


< 'DVB-S2 16APSK 4020V / 30003 / 2/3 MIS 18' > Tp# 1

< 'DVB-S2 8PSK 4125V / 7501 / 3/4' > Tp# 2
< (1)ATL HDENC18 />  1:0:1:1:A0:FFFF:955901D:0:0:0:

< 'DVB-S 4151H / 13235 / AUTO' > Tp# 3
< (2)4151H SID 0x01 />  1:0:1:1:1:0:9551037:0:0:0:< 

Blind Scan Time = 1 Min. 16 Sec.
2 Channels ( TV = 2  Radio = 0)  3 of 3 Transponders Scanned.
 
The Edision MIO 4K, MIO4k+, and Mini 4K all use AVL6261 which is similar to the SF8008 Supreme. Modifications have been made to allow the Edision to receive transponders down to around 500 Symbol rate, so I would expect similar capability for the SF8008 Supreme. But I seriously doubt the SF8008 Supreme will ever scan or lock a transponder below a 400 symbol rate because I don't think Avalink AVL62X1 supports a symbol rate that low.

We can take a modified driver for the Edision MIO 4K and outperform the SF8008 Supreme --At least on one satellite. Currently the SF8008 Supreme can find a transponder and scan it with a symbol rate of 833. The modified Edision is good to around 500 symbol rate. A blindscan of 117w shows the difference, with the Supreme logging more transponders, but the MIO 4K logging more channels.

117w-02-10-2024-Supreme.webp <-------------------------> 117w-02-10-2024-MIO.webp

The SF8008 Supreme finds the transponder with a 833 symbol rate, but misses the transponders with the 600 (6XX) symbol rates. Manual entry of any transponder with a symbol rate below 833 in my SF8008 Supreme results in No Signal. We've been lied to before and we are being lied to again in the low symbol rate area of the SF8008 Supreme.
 

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Might be a good idea to send your test findings to their email. Would be very interesting to see their response, if any.
 
Obviously the SF8008 Supreme cannot do Multistream on 121w, but it is advertised to do exactly that on their website.

- DVB-S2X 4K UHD & Multistream (T2-MI direct input)

https://www-octagon--germany-eu.tra...tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=sc

Don't get me wrong. I find the SF8008 Supreme to be at least a decent FTA receiver. I just Do Not like it when things or features are advertised that either do not exist or do not work. The SF8008 Supreme seems to have a couple of those...
 
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