Octagon SF8008 Supreme

Here is the best collection of information I have for the symbol rate capabilities in the SF8008 Supreme.

On November 22, 2023, OCTAGON support wrote this about the SF8008 Supreme:
https://octagon-forum.eu/threads/bald-lieferbar-coming-soon-cok-yakinda.81027/
1. CPU has now got a better and larger heat sink.
2. PCB (Mainboard) has received several changes. (Layout, components and various other than those Components)
3. Tested without problems for months.
4. SUPREME has more interfaces.
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Either Octagon knew the advertised symbol rate was a LIE in 2023 or they did not bother to test it. Either way, Octagon advertises the Supreme symbol rate as something that is not possible to achieve. Octagon advertises the Supreme symbol rate range from 100 to 80,000 (Or .1 to 80, Or 100,000 to 80,000,000). In reality, the real symbol rate is 1,000 to 60,000 (or 1 to 60).

Anything below 1.000 symbol rate is not guaranteed. However, Avalink says symbol rates down to 300 may be possible, but may be unstable or with errors. Here is a quote from Avalink when asked about low symbol rate capability in AVL6261C:
For AVL6261C, we support the symbol rate down to 1MSps with performance guaranteed. For low symbol rate, AVL6161C can work till 0.3Msps with performance degraded and long acquisition time.
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Here are the advertised specs for AVL6261C from Avalink:
AVL6261C DVB-S/S2/S2X Demodulator
FEATURES:
DVB-S2/S2X
● MODCOD
All normative MODCODs of interactive
service profile
● Both normal (64800 bits) and short (16200
bits) FECFRAME supported
● Normal FECFRAME Symbol rate
QPSK 1-60MSps
8PSK/APSK 1-60MSps
16APSK 1-58MSps
32APSK 1-55MSps
64APSK 1-34MSps
● Short FECFRAME Symbol rate
QPSK 1-56MSps
8PSK/APSK 1-55MSps
16APSK 1-51MSps
32APSK 1-45MSps
● CCM, VCM and ACM supported
● Roll-off factors for pulse shaping: 0.05 to
0.35
DVB-S
● Symbol Rates: 1-60 MSps
● Code Rates: 1/2, 2/3, 3/4, 5/6, 7/8

Even the high symbol rate of 60 is not available in all modulation modes. Octagon is advertising a high symbol rate of 80, which is ridiculous as this is 33% more than the specs of Avalink.

There have been several attempts by Octagon to fix the low symbol rate where it is useful, but all of the attempts have either failed, broken something else in the process, or Both.For further aggravation, Ghidra shows an Open Source License for the AVL6261C in the Octagon image. If you have an Open Source License, then you are supposed to provide the sources the driver was made with which Octagon refuses to do.

The same driver, AVl6261C or AVL626X1 is used in the Edision receivers. Both Edision and Avalink have made the sources available where anyone may build the demodulator or tuner driver for the Edision 4K receivers. Octagon could do the same thing and release their source code, but they refuse to do this.

At some point in a future time, Octagon may release a driver that performs somewhat better on symbol rates that are below 1,000. But a symbol rate of around 500 is the lowest we could get the Edision receivers to function, and I expect the same for the Supreme. Just remember, the symbol rates for the Supreme are really 1,000 to 60,000, and NOT the 100 to 80,000 Octagon advertises. Any symbol rate below 1,000 may not work and/or may be unstable in the Octagon SF8008 Supreme.
 
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Having a signal below lock helps when aligning, adjusting or moving a satellite dish. IMO, Octagon should use what little influence they have with enigma2 image groups and try to get the signal below feature added to them. Georgia played in the women's college softball regionals this evening, and I decided I wanted to watch that game.

The 1.2 ku meter dish was giving about 12.6db on a 16apsk transponder with a 4/5 fec. This is really a marginal signal for glitch free viewing for a transponder such as this, so I moved the 2.4 meter ku dish from 87w to 103w to make viewing the game enjoyable. i installed the TinySA spectrum analyzer into the lnb feed to make dish alignment easier.

The dish pole is marked for 103w, which makes it a bit easier to find the correct location, but both lnb skew and dish alignment are pretty critical on a Prodelin 2.4 meter dish. The TinySa spectrum analyzer usually makes this job easier because you can see the transponders on a satellite before they are strong enough to be seen on the fta receiver.

Having signal below lock really helped with this move. The transponder and its 7 channels had already been scanned with the 1.2 meter dish, so the Signal Meter Android app was opened and a signal was set on the target transponder. The signal meter kept repeating the word zero audibly while the dish was being moved from 87 to 103w. Then about the same time the TinySa started showing some weak transponders for 103, the Signal meter said the word 'Two". Bingo!

A 16apsk transponder with a fec of 4/5 is not going to lock until it has a signal around 11 db(snr). So it sort of shocked me to hear the Signal Meter app say the word "two". Signal on the 2.4 meter dish peaked out a bit over 15db which guaranteed a decent signal for the softball game.

Going to the trouble of shutting everything down, installing the TinySA spectrum analyzer, then powering everything up was a waste of time. The SF8008 Supreme demodulator/tuner combination is sensitive enough to where you do not need to install the spectrum analyzer.

Trying to move a 2.4 meter ku dish like this where you are not going to get a signal on the target till 11db would be very difficult. Having signal shown below lock is Very Valuable in a situation like this. Hopefully Octagon will realize this and try to do something about getting it added to enigma2 images.


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EB, thought you might be interested....

Did a software update with these packages...
1_0_1_1_1_0_A1D1052_0_0_0_20240828130756.webp

Rebooted and went to 125 to check out ShopHQ... while there the bouquet displays...
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Still on ShopHQ and select up arrow, then blue button and select 101 bouquet, Metv and get...
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When I select the ok button while still on metv, I get....
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Anyway, restored prior backup and back to normal.
 
eastof111 said:
EB, thought you might be interested....

Did a software update with these packages...
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Rebooted and went to 125 to check out ShopHQ... while there the bouquet displays...
View attachment 18498

Still on ShopHQ and select up arrow, then blue button and select 101 bouquet, Metv and get...
View attachment 18499

When I select the ok button while still on metv, I get....
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Anyway, restored prior backup and back to normal.
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Looks like something is corrupted. Other than that, I don't know. I am cleaning the image build directories. If this problem continues, then zip and post the entire enigma2 folder. Thanks.
 
Other than reloading different skins or images, there doesn't appear to be a productive way of obtaining and displaying the status of the installed ssd in the Octagon SF8008.

Surprised there hasn't been a plugin to display the ssd status (capacities, temp, trim, provisioning, etc.).

Maybe there is such a plugin and I missed it.

OpenATV
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OpenVIX
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Tnap
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My hobby time has been very limited lately.

The SF8008 runs a stripped version of Linux, so I don't know how much of what you want is actually available. Usually anything other images have can be shown within reason, but if other images do not have a particular piece of information, then it might not be available
 
At its current state with different firmware images. Can this statement be held true of the SF8008?
"The OS Mio is the only box that can blindscan MIS and return the codes".
 
Edision did a lot of work with the MIO4K receivers. There are not many enigma2 receivers with with anything that resembles a decent satellite blindscan I am pretty certain the the MIO 4K's are the only ones that blindscan mulistream transponders and return proper codes for them. The SF8008 Supreme is probably capable of doing the same as the MIO 4K receivers. Octagon has done nothing but tell lies in 2024. The SF8008 Supreme currently is what it is and probably all it will ever be.
 
Apologies. I thought you might have had a chance to do a side-by-side scan comparison.
Strange how Edision discontinued the osmio series. Makes me value mine that much more.
Still pondering if the SF8008 has matured to the point where taking the plunge to buy one would be a good experience.
Or. Because my interests are expanding into data transponders, if a TBS PCIe card would be better spent?
But. Would a dvb-s2 card scan and return results better, the same, or worse than the Edision? If you have one you're using curently.
Do you know how you would figure out if a received MIS hit was 4:2:2, DC2, etc.? Or if any could be streamed through VLC.
There are more and more MIS showing up in blindscans.
 
The difference between Octagon and Edision is Octagon is a reseller and Edision is a developer. In other words, Octagon does not have any "In-House" skills where Edision does. Octagon simply buys a bunch of receivers from a China supplier and resells them. Nothing more than that. When there is a problem, someone besides Octagon has to fix it.

The Octagon SF8008 was released around 2018. The Supreme version of the SF8008 was released in the first part of 2024. The Supreme is an updated version of the SF8008, Nothing more than that. Given the fact that Octagon cannot fix anything by themselves, and given the fact that the SF8008 Supreme is only an updated version of the SF8008 means that there is nothing left to "mature". The SF8008 Supreme is what it is today, and will most likely be in the same state for the foreseeable future. Nothing left to mature...

You can add things to receivers such as usb tuners, provided the receiver is software and hardware capable. I recently added the TBS 5925 to the SF8008 as shown below. TBS tuners are limited in enigma2 receivers, but they do receive what they are capable of receiving. There are no active MIS transponders viewable in North America with channels that I know about except on 40.5 west, C band.. Maybe in the future there will be more MIS channels available, but seems Not Today, and probably not next week either.

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Good to hear TBS5925 work again now... I did some tests using old enigma2 and recognize, but zero (mips)... and after, I didn't anymore for other arch (aarch64, arm, etc).

I'll test now my TBS5925 this tnap image.

And, maybe is possible make work TBS5520se too. If you want some help to send logs, I'm ready!

I have some box here to test: h9s/se, osmini4k, dmtwo, sf8008 1st, zero/zero4k.

Many thanks.
 
Seems Good Ole Octagon fixed the low symbol rate problem in the SF8008 Supreme. Yes sir, they managed to solve the low symbol rate problem by releasing the Octagon SF8008 V3 receiver. This version of SF8008 will of all things have a bluetooth remote and SiLabs tuner/demodulator just like or similar to the first SF8008 receiver. Of course Now that the V3 of SF8008 is set to be released in 2025, Octagon has forgotten about the SF8008 Supreme. This is a Classic fix the current receiver problems by announcing a new receiver.

I grow tired of Octagon's crap.
 
The uClan Ustym 4K Pro Twin S2X Is a Great alternative to the Octagon SF8008 Supreme receiver. DREAMPORTUGAL currently has the uClan Ustym 4K Pro Twin S2X on sale for about $160.00 or less shipped. Shipping from DREAMPORTUGAL to me is usually 4-5 business days with excellent DHL shipping. The uClan Ustym 4K Pro Twin S2X will be on sale for about 2 more days, then the price goes up a little bit.

The uClan Ustym 4K Pro Twin S2X Does Not have provisions for the internal M.2 SSD, but that is the only difference I have found between the uClan Ustym 4K Pro Twin S2X and the SF8008 Supreme. Definitely a great price on the uClan Ustym 4K Pro Twin S2X!
 
EB, installed Tnap 6 (nice 2025 boot logo) and I am glad multiboot is working. The restore process worked well too.

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Testing Tnap 6 and noticed the zap speed is extremely slow on the (example) CNN channels (87 ku). Zap speed varies between 5 to 8 seconds before a channel locks and displays. The atsc channels using the Hvr-950 tuner display instantly.

What causes images to differ in display lock speed when using the same settings (bouquet, lamedb, setting file)? ATV is the fastest when locking CNN, plus the atsc channels are instant too. VIX comes in second at 2 to 3 seconds delay on the CNN mux and also the atsc channels.

Thanks for the Tnap 6 for testing.
 
The new zap speed image is now openSPA. It is fast. Both on the CNN mux and the atsc channels. It also has an interesting feature which allows switching the menu display from horizontal to vertical orientation. The image has a mistyped bug in the advanced usals setting. The longtitude and latitude items are listed incorrectly; they should be reversed in order to work.
 
Updated to 01-10-2025 and rebooted fine. Did a blind scan on 99 ku and worked very well. Did the same for 103 C band with same results.

The zap speed has improved tremendously on the CNN 87 ku mux, but it will randomly slow down when switching any selection from 1 to 7. Sometimes takes up to 10 seconds to lock in and display. Switching from 87 ku to 103 c or 103 c to 87 ku is good, but sometimes will be more than 5 to 10 seconds.

Overall, no other gremlins have appeared.
 
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