WARNING: AzBox Premium HD Plus counterfeit units now being sold in the North American market!

pwrsurge said:
The PDF you attached only applies for the now discontinued Premium HD (non plus) unit and NOT the Premium HD Plus unit
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I was not aware of that , Just what is in production now?

To me a big PLUS would be that you answer members questions, rather than being selective or evasive on what you answer.

We have intelligent members here , they can handle the truth or the lack of it.
 
ViP3R said:
I was not aware of that , Just what is in production now?

To me a big PLUS would be that you answer members questions, rather than being selective or evasive on what you answer.

We have intelligent members here , they can handle the truth or the lack of it.
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I believe he follows the old saying "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullsh*t".
 
I think pwrsurge has done pretty good here, all things considered.
We are going to bring in a Made In China AzBox Premimum Plus and examine it. This is being done because we asked for answers and did not get them. So we will come to our own conclusions and post our findings for all to see.

What really strikes me as being funny here is the production of Premium Plus AzBoxes was stopped in 2011. In March of 2013 we have vendors who are still selling these receivers. Not just one or two vendors either. We have several vendors trying to sell them, and ALL of them deny having clone receivers.
Why is pwrsurge wasting so much time and resources on a product that has been discontinued for this amount of time? IMO, the stock of Korean made Premium Plus recivers should have been depleted a long time ago.
 
Can you actuality tell if a box is made in Korea vs. China? What clues would you look for?
I've had recent vintage receivers apart such as the Raptor, X2, and Jynxbox. The parts and layout all look the same.
 
It is really hard to tell Pixl. Almost All fta receivers are made from low end electronic parts. Korea usually has better quality and Made in Korea is usually stamped somewhere on the receiver.
 
I would really like to see the outcome of this el bandido, The so called CLONE AzBox Premium Plus HD from China is crazy expensive to me??? I agree the stock of Premium Plus HD's should of run out long long ago considering it is one of few STB's that decode 4:2:2.
 
first thing i want to do is say thank you pwrsurge for trying to answer the ?????? we have, now i have one of the oldest azbox hd premium plus recivers in north america,
MFG date 2008, it was sold to me by ricks sats in early 2009, i know this reciver inside and out, what it can do and what it cant do, how to fix boot loop with jtag, how to recover
it stuck loading, my work with the azbox has been copy pasted all over the world for legal use and some not so legal use that i did not want.
now the PICs you posted that you say are clones are not, i can prove this, so now i will ask, are the recivers you are selling clones and you dont know it or do you, or was the
first azboxes the ones the copy was made from, if they were why would opensat copy a clone for there newer recivers??????.
 
iq180 said:
now the PICs you posted that you say are clones are not, i can prove this, so now i will ask, are the recivers you are selling clones and you dont know it or do you, or was the
first azboxes the ones the copy was made from, if they were why would opensat copy a clone for there newer recivers??????.
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All of the AzBox Premium HD Plus units we distributed in the Canadian market were obtained directly from OpenSat Lda. or its sister company DTInnovation both located in Portugal and we have the purchase invoices and serial numbers to prove it. Furthermore, the pics we posted of our authentic unit exactly match the pics that were on the AzBox.com website as late as of October 2012 as per our previous post #56.


Best regards,

PwrSurge
AzBox Canada
 
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well its time for me to clean my azbox hd premium plus, i will do it this weekend, i will take some PICs of the mother board and the case, labels, & the spot where you say the
2 dimples should be on a true azbox hd premium plus, that my box dont have.
 
pwrsurge said:
All of the AzBox Premium HD Plus units we distributed in the Canadian market were obtained directly from OpenSat Lda. or its sister company DTInnovation both located in Portugal and we have the purchase invoices and serial numbers to prove it. Furthermore, the pics we posted of our authentic unit exactly match the pics that were on the AzBox.com website as late as of October 2012 as per our previous post #56.
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Funny how serial numbers can be offered as proof by PwrSurge but not Rick Caylor


pwrsurge said:
[*]Recently, we published a picture showing one of these differences associated with the ventilation holes on the top of the unit. Shortly after this occurred, Rick Caylor posted on his discussion forum admitting that he has been the one supplying these units stating that he purchased these receivers from Opensat. We at AzBox Canada were surprised by this revelation as none of our authentic AzBox Premium HD Plus units have any of these differences, even the ones from our last Premium HD Plus shipment ordered in March of 2012. Up until Rick Caylor's revelation, we had no idea that the units he is currently carrying were physically different than our authentic units nor did we know that he was supplying units to GTA Electronics (aka. Worldwidesatellites). Furthermore, the picture that Rick Caylor had on his website of the AzBox Premium HD Plus before he made his post did NOT show any of these differences and it was only updated after one of his members pointed out this discrepancy to him.

[*]Based on the above, our claims of AzBox Premium HD Plus clone units were well founded. Please note that using the unit's serial numbers by itself as a means of validation is generally not sufficient in determining if a unit is a clone as the serial numbers of AzBox Premium HD Plus units are sequential so the series can easily be reused.


Best regards,


PwrSurge
AzBox Canada
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IMO, You need to do better than this. If it is fair for you to use serial numbers as proof then it should be fair for Rick Caylor to use them. He claims to have the same supporting papers as you do! EB
 
el bandido said:
Funny how serial numbers can be offered as proof by PwrSurge but not Rick Caylor

IMO, You need to do better than this. If it is fair for you to use serial numbers as proof then it should be fair for Rick Caylor to use them. He claims to have the same supporting papers as you do! EB
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I don't think that is what he is saying. What he said was "Please note that using the unit's serial numbers by itself as a means of validation is generally not sufficient..." In other words, a serial number database would be fairly useless. A serial number can be copied. What you need is the addition of the paper trail, as he noted (purchase invoice, etc.), from Opensat/DTInnovation to the authorized distributor (either Rick's or AZBox Canada) and then to their dealers (and to the purchaser would be even more ideal).
 
Keith Brannen said:
I don't think that is what he is saying. What he said was "Please note that using the unit's serial numbers by itself as a means of validation is generally not sufficient..." In other words, a serial number database would be fairly useless. A serial number can be copied. What you need is the addition of the paper trail, as he noted (purchase invoice, etc.), from Opensat/DTInnovation to the authorized distributor (either Rick's or AZBox Canada) and then to their dealers (and to the purchaser would be even more ideal).
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While that may be so, I, and I think everyone else here, is still waiting for undsputable proof from pwrsurge to back up his statements and accusations. So far, I have seen nothing but heresay and innuendo and neither of those are worth as much as the horse manure I cleaned out of my barn today. We have been asking for proof and so far I have not seen proof to back up any of his statements and I stand by what I said earlier. These sound more like the rantings of a spoiled child who has not gotten his way. What he has done, however, is convince me that I will never buy an AZBox. If this is how AZBox Canada is represented, they are, indeed, in dire straights. JMO.
 
Looking forward to comparing with EB and IQ. I am totally satisfied with my 2 azbox receivers for picture quality, tuner sensitivity and of course the 4:2:2 feeds which I scan in on a daily basis. Both my setups for ku and c band wouldn't be complete without those receivers.
I too would like to more substantial proof then a couple of dimples or an extra air vent on top of the receiver............
 
easily confused said:
While that may be so, I, and I think everyone else here, is still waiting for undsputable proof from pwrsurge to back up his statements and accusations. So far, I have seen nothing but heresay and innuendo...
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Well, I thought it was quite well explained (post #54) why he thought the units being sold by WWS were clones. Having worked in an industry (on the retail side) where branches of the same company jealously guard their territory from each other to extreme measures (all to the detriment of the customer), I certainly understand that when you are the authorized distributor for a territory, you do not expect incursion from another authorized distributor, as did happen here (regardless of how, who, or why).

It is very similar to what I have seen the authorized distributor of the Akimo products do to unauthorized dealers in North America and the other territories they have.

Perhaps I'm not seeing the innuendoes or accusations that you, and others, seem to be reading "between the lines" of rather a straightforward explanation of what happened (post #54).

As far as the differences in the units that Rick Caylor shipped (and has) from the standard units, I am wondering whether it could be that those units he got were from the end of a production run (maybe the last run?), and the company simply ran out of the standard covers, etc., and used other parts that they had, instead of re-tooling and making more to the original specifications. After all, it is not an Opensat owned company that put the units together, but one hired to do it. Could all come down to a quality control issue.
 
As far as the differences in the units that Rick Caylor shipped (and has) from the standard units, I am wondering whether it could be that those units he got were from the end of a production run (maybe the last run?), and the company simply ran out of the standard covers, etc., and used other parts that they had, instead of re-tooling and making more to the original specifications. After all, it is not an Opensat owned company that put the units together, but one hired to do it. Could all come down to a quality control issue.

This is possible, but in post 22 pwrsurge offered those very differences as proof that some receivers were clones so, were they really clones? If it is as you say, these "clones" may well be legitimate so, again, where is the proof?
 
easily confused said:
This is possible, but in post 22 pwrsurge offered those very differences as proof that some receivers were clones so, were they really clones? If it is as you say, these "clones" may well be legitimate so, again, where is the proof?
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Post #54 explains why he thought they were clones at the beginning (as in post #22): "Recently, we published a picture showing one of these differences associated with the ventilation holes on the top of the unit. Shortly after this occurred, Rick Caylor posted on his discussion forum admitting that he has been the one supplying these units stating that he purchased these receivers from Opensat. We at AzBox Canada were surprised by this revelation as none of our authentic AzBox Premium HD Plus units have any of these differences, even the ones from our last Premium HD Plus shipment ordered in March of 2012. Up until Rick Caylor's revelation, we had no idea that the units he is currently carrying were physically different than our authentic units nor did we know that he was supplying units to GTA Electronics (aka. Worldwidesatellites)."
 
PwrSurge and Rick claim to have the same supporting documents from the manufacturer that proves their units are not clones.

PwrSurge still contends Ricks receivers are clones. He has not retracted his statement, issued an apology, or even admitted to be wrong. EB
 
el bandido said:
PwrSurge and Rick claim to have the same supporting documents from the manufacturer that proves their units are not clones.

PwrSurge still contends Ricks receivers are clones. He has not retracted his statement, issued an apology, or even admitted to be wrong. EB
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What? Where does he ever say any of that? What I quoted shows why he thought the units were clones (WWS not an authorized Canadian dealer, and the differences in units). Pretty clear to me. He has never accused Rick of selling clones. Even in the first post on the subject he stated: "In order to avoid purchasing a counterfeit AzBox unit, we strongly recommend only purchasing AzBox products from authorised AzBox Canada dealers which are listed on our website at http://dealers.azbox.ca or from Rick's Satellite who is authorised for the U.S. market."
 
Yep.
Then he goes on about the number of vent holes in the Premium Plus and points to that as being an undeniable clone receiver which Rick admits to selling.
 
el bandido said:
Yep.
Then he goes on about the number of vent holes in the Premium Plus and points to that as being an undeniable clone receiver which Rick admits to selling.
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No, in post #54 that was explaining the difference in the unit purchased from WWS and the comparison test they did (and why it was thought at the time to be a clone). The paragraph I quoted is after that, when it was found out later that the units had been supplied by Rick Caylor. Nothing there about accusing Rick of selling clones, is there?
 
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